Paulo Sousa | 1994-1997


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Paulo Sousa | 1994-1997

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Feb 05, 02:52

Club: Juventus FC | Borussia Dortmund



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Former Portuguese football defensive midfielder and the current first-team coach of English side Queens Park Rangers, Sousa is widely regarded as one of the most celebrated Portuguese footballers in the modern game. He could recover the ball from the other team and swiftly, but elegantely, start an attack with a dazling long-range pass. classy, whlie at the same time, effsctive.

started of in Benfica's side, where he played along with Futre, Joao Pinto and Rui Costa, eventually was brought to Juventus, where he enjoyed his best seasons.

He played for the Turin side for two seasons, leading it to the 1995-96 UEFA Champions League. He also won the 1995 domestic league while finishing runner-up in the following, adding the 1995 Italian Cup and Supercup, finishing runner-up in the 1994-95 UEFA Cup.

Sousa then moved to Germany to play in BV Borussia Dortmund, where he repeated the Champions League title the next year, being the only player in history to retain such accolade. The final was incidentally against former side Juventus.
Although he appeared in that game, Sousa's Dortmund spell was plagued with injuries, which followed him the remainder of his career. Sousa retired at not yet 32, after short unassuming stints with Inter Milan, Parma F.C., Panathinaikos FC and RCD Espanyol


on a side note, 65 KS is just for fun, since it's common knowledge amongst portuguese fans that he once had to replace the keeper in a game and he did some fine saves. although he suffered a goal from the penalty resulting from the keepers expulsion, Benfica went on to win 3-2.

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Re: Paulo SOUSA 94/96

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 24, 21:42

First i would take away *tactical dribble (he would hardly dribble anyone, he was a "pivot" and made the team play usually imediate with long passes rather than dribling a few steps ahead in midfield)

Then i would take *position. Position is about attack, not defense, u may need some clarification there.

Balance: 79 - he wasn´t such a great athlete and he wasn't tall. this way he's on pair with bosingwa, d'agostino, donadel, hamsik, pires, guti, maniche and van der vaart

Response: 80 - actually his ability to position himself or his will to defend were better than his reflexes, but i'm not so shure of this value. sometimes he went on hard tackles due to loosing ground to the attackers, but this could be due to lack of speed. he will intercept a lot of passes with 84, maybe too many.

Shot Power: 82/Shot Technique: 72 i don't really remeber PS going for goal, acording to wiki he scored 5 goals in his carrer and probably from a freekick or a penalty. And his freekicks didn't pack any power.

Aggression: 65 - same thing as in the petit thread. this kind of players, conservative defensive pivots, are usualy in the range of 60~70 for agression.

Mentality: 78 - i think he lacked warrior mentality sometimes. He had a very good workrate but he was far from being a "braveheart" imo. But mentality is another overated stat here, so, acording to ladders it probably fits.

Keeper Skills: 65 - lol
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Re: Paulo SOUSA 94/96

Postby yourigo » 2009 May 24, 22:18

yeah you have a point there, he does seem a bit overrated in some aspects when compared to the ladders, but i'll just wait until i get to talk to classical in msn before changing PS, since we made this stats together

thx for the reply, it realy gave me a new perspective, suddenly i'm doubting my own stats :lol:
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Re: Paulo SOUSA 94/96

Postby HFClub » 2009 Jun 25, 11:51

I actually think that with this stats as they are,Paulo Sousa is realisticly done..., good job!
Well checking again i reach the conclusion that his SP is too high (suggest 82-83)...and that maybe his ACC could come up 1 or 2 points (checking the ladders, that's what i concluded).

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Re: Paulo SOUSA 94/96

Postby yourigo » 2009 Jun 25, 12:07

ok then, updated acc to 75. but are you sure about SP coming down? he didn't shoot very often, but he had great power when he did...

PS- att 74»72 (hope there are no problems with that ;) )
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Re: Paulo SOUSA 94/96

Postby Steveh15 » 2009 Nov 13, 18:41

Massively pedantic and pointless post here..

Sousa then moved to Germany to play in BV Borussia Dortmund, where he repeated the Champions League title the next year, being the only player in history to retain such accolade. The final was incidentally against former side Juventus.


Not true, Marcel Desailly did it a few years earlier winning it with Marsielle one year and then Milan the next, and if you're going on winners medals collected then technically Gerard Pique has done it since. Please correct this glaring oversight :D
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby p1rha » 2009 Nov 20, 00:38

What happened with him is that he won it for Juve against Borrussia and the next year he won it for Borussia against Juventus... it's more of a coincidence than a merit but no one has done this before or since then :)

Btw, what about giving him "pinpoint passing"?
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Steveh15 » 2009 Nov 20, 16:46

da_ni wrote:
i think that what that "record" meant is that he was, until recently, the only player that had one 2 CL in a row with diferent clubs... Pique fits this criteria, but desailly doesn't... and there must be many more players that won the CL with diferent clubs..i can easilly remeber of Deco, who won it with Porto and then with Barcelona..


Does to :P. Desailly won it playing for Marsielle, beating Milan in the 1993 Cup Final. He then moved to Milan and won it again in the 1994 cup final, famously scoring their final goal against Barcelona.

I had a look at the list of players who have one them with different clubs on wikipedia, it's an interesting bunch of players, noticeably most of them appear to be defenders or midfielders. Maybe this shows that the key to European success is an organized and good midfield and defence?

The most ineresting one the list is Jimmy Rimmer, who I'd never heard of. He was the unused substitute when Man U won it in 1968, and then started for Aston Villa 14 years later in 1982, only to be injured 9 minutes in and substitued. So he's got two winners medals at 4 and a half minutes each in terms of final playing time, not bad :D. Probably the largest gap in time between to winners medals as well.

Ps, also with Juventus Sousa beat Ajax, not Dortmund.
pps, although he did play them
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby JMVP » 2011 May 11, 20:52

Best Portuguese nº 6 ever. A uniqu breed of footballer, he was pure class and if he was transported in time i firmly believe he would have a place in any present day team.

I'd still lower BB, shot power and freekick skills.
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jan 14, 15:29

This player should be updated as well.. I've worked on Juve team from 94-96 and Sousa seems overbone here in some aspects. He never was an orange worth for long passing, pretty good but no way he was on the line with top class passer. I think smthng like 86/87 max here.. Stamina should be raised for sure, he was excellent runner covering lot of field, with fantastic ball recuperation. I suggest STA on 90 and RES on 86.. TW is something like over top for me in his case, he never supported team movements on the way that he searched for the ball and come close to the teammates to give or receive passes, it were mostly when he tried to pass the ball from the back half of the pitch, something like mid yellow could be enough for TW.. TS and ACC should be swapped and ACC can claim yellow value, he possessed nice burst when try to pass opponent with pretty nice occasionally dribblings.. it is not worth 84 for DA but had fair close control, it could be lowered to 81/82.. agility could be raised, DS as well and SA/ST ratio should be balanced.. both worth of green value but I see both of them pretty close SA 75 ST 77.. fka/curl is way too high and he never was that good free kick taker, it should be lowered to the lowest yellow for both, his balls were mostly strong and direct placed, didn't used too much curle on it, he always tried on what more simplest and faster way to give the ball.. P06 - Pinpoint Pass card could be added, *positioning and *playmaking should be removed from S.A.
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jan 25, 13:57

Any objections about Moysís suggestions?
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby JMVP » 2017 Jan 25, 14:21

I do have some objections. I can't agree with the suggested values for stamina and response, i think they are over the top, the current values are fair imo... maybe a stamina a tad higher but that's it.
Tw should be kept on high yellows at least, he was pivotal to the midfield of every team he played for so i'd say he deserves a number along the lines of Xabi Alonso.
His shooting was never anything special, i agree with balancing it but i think SA should be kept on whites, it's ST that needs to come down.

Moysis makes a few good points though, e.g. Pin Point is a must. Agility raise, acceleration over TS (but not yellow acc), DS raise are all fair calls.
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jan 25, 21:17

I can't agree with current level of STA, at least 88 is must.. he was lungs of this Juve generation and with Di Livio the one who ran the most in almost all matches.. concerning RES, well I think with 85 he will not be over top for sure, his ball recuperation and fast reaction in every situation on the field were really great if you ask me.. I've saw in lot of matches that he has been always faster for centimeters against any opponent player to steal the ball or collect those no one's balls, below 85 I wouldn't go here.. TW is pretty hard to rate, because he was active on the field but as I said before he didn't supported team movements on way like X. Alonso did, he was more kind of player like Vieira, I think smthng like 86/87 would be enough for him..
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jan 30, 13:19

Well guys if you can reach an agreement I can update it, otherwise I won't touch anything, it's up to you.
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby JMVP » 2017 Jan 30, 13:31

Before going for the full set, one other thing i'd like to see changed is his BB, i think 82 is way over the top, i'd go for 78. What's your view on this Moysis?
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Re: Paulo SOUSA | 1994-1996

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jan 30, 13:42

Yes, sure.. he wasn't yellow worth for BB.. you can update him Victor..
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Re: Paulo Sousa | 1994-1996

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jan 30, 15:06

Well I tried to follow all of yours suggestions, lemme know if there's something missing or wrong, updated all the post. I couldn't find his number at Juventus btw.
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Re: Paulo Sousa | 1994-1996

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jan 30, 21:12

He wearing number 6 in Juve.

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