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Discussion Ladders

Postby PES Stats Database » 2012 Jun 13, 20:33

CONDITION:

Primera División
Aldosivi
Argentinos Juniors
Arsenal de Sarandí
Atlético Rafaela
Banfield Updated _tick
Belgrano
Boca Juniors
Colón
Crucero del Norte
Defensa y Justicia
Estudiantes de La Plata
Gimnasia Esgrima LP
Godoy Cruz
Huracán
Independiente
Lanús
Newell's Old Boys
Nueva Chicago
Olimpo
Quilmes
Racing Club
River Plate
Rosario Central
San Lorenzo
San Martín (SJ)
Sarmiento
Temperley
Tigre
Unión
Vélez Sarsfield


Primera B Nacional

All Boys
Atlético Tucumán
Central Córdoba
Chacarita Juniors
Douglas Haig
Ferro
Gimnasia (J)
Guaraní AF
Independiente (R)
Instituto
Los Andes
Patronato
Santamarina
Sportivo Belgrano

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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 17, 13:42

Well, let's see how we can do this quickly, updated Independiente. Finally left Villalba in 3, Rolfi in 4. Wanna have more input in here with the rest of the teams.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 17, 13:51

Villalba left sb? with his current set with form 5 is enough I think.. always plays in the same way.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 17, 13:55

Yes, he has always very bad matches...I can remember just 2 matches (1 in this tournament) where he didn't suck (he didn't play well either just decent) and he played 40 matches until now. It doesn't matter if you play at the same way all the matches to validate a good number in condition, what matters is the level that the player usually shows.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 17, 14:24

Mmm ok, as has all whites.. but you know him much more than my.

Racing

6: Saja (or 5), Alvarado, Videla
5: Ibañez, Lollo (or 6), Cabral, G Díaz, Bou, Grimi, Acuña, Hauche, Castillón (or 4), Milito
4: Saveljich, Sanchez, Pillud, Acevedo, Aued, Centurión
3: Gómez, García, Campi, Villar, Peres Guedes
2: Voboril, Rentería
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 17, 14:48

I like that ladder, probably Cabral, Ibañez and Castillón are 4. Sure about Alvarado 6? Dunno what to do with Rentería he barely played as he was injured, probably is 4 as well.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 17, 15:55

Ibañez was starter and regular a lot of time in GC, now just is substitute... Castillón and Cabral could be and in Rentería probably you're right. In Alvarado yes, had 2 fantastic years in SL playing almost all the matches and when he went to Racing just broke his ligaments and doesn't play because is injured..

Banfield

6: Bologna (injured), Bianchi Arce, Domingo, Ervitti
5: Noguera, Tagliafico, Bertolo, Toledo, Terzagui (or 4), Noir, Cazares, Salcedo
4: Rigamonti, Zarif, Yeri, Prichoda, García, Chetti
3: Broggi, Requena

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Lanus

7: Marchesín
6: Martínez, Velázquez, Araujo, Romero
5: Braghieri (or 6), Somoza, González, Ortíz, Ayala, Acosta, Silva
4: Ibañez, Pasquini (or 5), Chamorro, Portillo, Astina, Benítez, Melano
3: Bella

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River

7: Barovero
6: Chiarini, Maidana (or 7), Mercado, Vangioni, Kranevitter, Rojas, Sánchez
5: Funes Mori, Pezzella, Cavenaghi, Teo
4: Uribarri, González Pirez, Balanta, Mora, Ponzio (or 3), Solari, Simeone, Driussi, Martínez, Boyé
3: Abecasis, Cirigliano, Affraichino, Ferreyra
2: Aguirre

Adding the last page:

Rosario Central

6: Caranta (or 7), Delgado, Donatti, Niell
5: Ferrari, García (or 4), Encina, Musto, Valencia, Abreu
4: Acevedo, Berra, Barrientos, Becker, Aguirre, Domínguez, Medina, Acuña

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Huracán

6: Díaz (or 7), Vismara
5: Giordano (or 4), Mancinelli, Erramuspe, Domínguez, Echeverría, Arano, Villarruel, Bustos, Favalli, Toranzo, Torassa
4: Sotelo, Espinoza, Romero Gamarra, Mandarino (or 5), Martínez, Moreno y Fabianesi, Milla, Wanchope
3: Borghello
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby chamakh » 2014 Oct 18, 01:22

6 Forlin , Meli , Chávez
5 Orión - a shame but he decreased a lot his level as Saja-, Insua , Marin , Magallan , Castellani , Carrizo , Colazo , Erbes , Fuenzalida - pretty hard evaluate him just for a couple of minutes- , Calleri , Echeverria
4 Trípodi , Diaz , Grana , Perez , Burdisso ,L. Acosta , Bravo , J. Acosta , Gigliotti
3 Zarate , Gago , D Angelo , Ledesma , Martinez (imo he needs 2)
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Paablito » 2014 Oct 18, 03:48

-Arsenal
Spoiler: show
8:
7:
6: D. Perez,
5: San Roman, Sarulyte (or 4), Nervo, Curbelo, I. Marcone, N. Aguirre, Zelaya, B. Aleman (is near to 4, is there imo), Burzio
4: Andrada, Limia, Zaldivia, R. Carrera, H. Fredes, F. Freire, M. Céliz, F. Rasic (at least was my impression on gelp)
3: G. Esmerado
2:
1:
Chimino ?


-Atl. Rafaela
Spoiler: show
8:
7:
6: A. Bastía, Albertengo, E. Conde,
5: Eluchans (or 4, is pretty irregular and a dumbass), De Giorgis, M. Gomez, A. Niz, J. Ferrari, G. Rojas, S. Vittor (or 5), W. Serrano, N. Royón, M. Quiroga, F. Gonzalez,
4: J. Sacks, Depetris, L. Kruspzky, M. Diaz, M. Fissore, Pol Fernandez, N. Orsini,
3:
2:
1:


-Belgrano
Spoiler: show
8:
7:
6:
5: Olave, P. Heredia, L. Aveldaño, G. Farré, L. Pittinari, E. Rigoni, C. Pereyra, L. Zelarayán, L. Parodi, J. Furch,
4: C. Lema, C. Soto, Turus, Lollo, S. Rodriguez, F. Álvarez, P. Barrios, E. Gonzalez (or 5), F. Marquez, C. Mansanelli, J. Velazquez, J. Bengston
3: R. Saravia,
2:
1:
F. Pintos


-GELP
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8:
7:
6: Distefano (same value)
5: Monetti, Barsottini, Vegetti, Oreja, Pouso, A. Fernández, Licht, D. Miloc, J. Mendoza
4: I. Fernández, Meza, O. Benítez, M. Coronel, A. García, J. Quiroga, J. Rojas,
3:
2:
1:


-QAC
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8:
7:
6: Braña, Klusener,
5: Dulcich, S. Martinez CB, Bontempo, Romero, A. Gonzalez, A. Scifo, Carli, M. Morales, E. Carrasco,
4: W. Benitez, Alegre, Perez Godoy, L Díaz, Zacaría, Hipperdinger, N. Lopez, B. Sarmiento, N. Cabrera, S. Martinez DMF,
3:
2:
1:
C. Leyes, J. Serrano
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 18, 15:37

chamakh wrote:6 Forlin , Meli , Chávez
5 Orión - a shame but he decreased a lot his level as Saja-, Insua , Marin , Magallan , Castellani , Carrizo , Colazo , Erbes , Fuenzalida - pretty hard evaluate him just for a couple of minutes- , Calleri , Echeverria
4 Trípodi , Diaz , Grana , Perez , Burdisso ,L. Acosta , Bravo , J. Acosta , Gigliotti
3 Zarate , Gago , D Angelo , Ledesma , Martinez (imo he needs 2)


I don't think Chávez is that consistent, in Banfield he showed lots of ghost matches, bad performances, and in Boca too with Bianchi. I'd say he's a 5.
Castellani is 4 imo as well as Fuenzalida and I'm not sure about Carrizo probably is 4 too. Agree in the rest and probably Martínez is 2 too.

Pablo isn't Oreja 6? I agree in the rest, not sure in some Rafaela's values but you know them more than me.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby chamakh » 2014 Oct 18, 22:06

Vickingo wrote:I don't think Chávez is that consistent, in Banfield he showed lots of ghost matches, bad performances, and in Boca too with Bianchi. I'd say he's a 5.
Castellani is 4 imo as well as Fuenzalida and I'm not sure about Carrizo probably is 4 too. Agree in the rest and probably Martínez is 2 too.


Yes, and that's what I thought but i didnt want to be so hard with Carrizo and Castellani. Regarding Chavez it was a mistake of mine put it there, I wanted putting him on the 5 ladder . About Fuenzalida i cant comment too much, has barely played a couple of minutes, tomorrow newly can play as starting player.

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@Scaramusso isnt Buffarini form 6 as top? Imo he fluctuates a lot his level in the last time
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 20, 01:39

Paablito wrote:-Arsenal
Spoiler: show
8:
7:
6: D. Perez,
5: San Roman, Sarulyte (or 4), Nervo, Curbelo, I. Marcone, N. Aguirre, Zelaya, B. Aleman (is near to 4, is there imo), Burzio
4: Andrada, Limia, Zaldivia, R. Carrera, H. Fredes, F. Freire, M. Céliz, F. Rasic (at least was my impression on gelp)
3: G. Esmerado
2:
1:
Chimino ?


Maybe Andrada is 5.. in the rest agree. Chimino in Ferro was 5, I didn't see him in Arsenal.

Paablito wrote:-Atl. Rafaela
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8:
7:
6: A. Bastía, Albertengo, E. Conde,
5: Eluchans (or 4, is pretty irregular and a dumbass), De Giorgis, M. Gomez, A. Niz, J. Ferrari, G. Rojas, S. Vittor (or 5), W. Serrano, N. Royón, M. Quiroga, F. Gonzalez,
4: J. Sacks, Depetris, L. Kruspzky, M. Diaz, M. Fissore, Pol Fernandez, N. Orsini,
3:
2:
1:


Agree in all too, with Eluchans/Vittor in 5 (great level of him btw)

Paablito wrote:-Belgrano
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8:
7:
6:
5: Olave, P. Heredia, L. Aveldaño, G. Farré, L. Pittinari, E. Rigoni, C. Pereyra, L. Zelarayán, L. Parodi, J. Furch,
4: C. Lema, C. Soto, Turus, Lollo, S. Rodriguez, F. Álvarez, P. Barrios, E. Gonzalez (or 5), F. Marquez, C. Mansanelli, J. Velazquez, J. Bengston
3: R. Saravia,
2:
1:
F. Pintos


Lollo is in Racing =P, agree in all with Gonzalez in 5.

Paablito wrote:-GELP
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8:
7:
6: Distefano (same value)
5: Monetti, Barsottini, Vegetti, Oreja, Pouso, A. Fernández, Licht, D. Miloc, J. Mendoza
4: I. Fernández, Meza, O. Benítez, M. Coronel, A. García, J. Quiroga, J. Rojas,
3:
2:
1:


Imo Oreja and Licht 6, maybe Pouso too.. in the rest agree.

Paablito wrote:-QAC
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8:
7:
6: Braña, Klusener,
5: Dulcich, S. Martinez CB, Bontempo, Romero, A. Gonzalez, A. Scifo, Carli, M. Morales, E. Carrasco,
4: W. Benitez, Alegre, Perez Godoy, L Díaz, Zacaría, Hipperdinger, N. Lopez, B. Sarmiento, N. Cabrera, S. Martinez DMF,
3:
2:
1:
C. Leyes, J. Serrano


Sure 6 in Braña?
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Paablito » 2014 Oct 20, 02:40

Scaramuso wrote:
Paablito wrote:-QAC
Spoiler: show
8:
7:
6: Braña, Klusener,
5: Dulcich, S. Martinez CB, Bontempo, Romero, A. Gonzalez, A. Scifo, Carli, M. Morales, E. Carrasco,
4: W. Benitez, Alegre, Perez Godoy, L Díaz, Zacaría, Hipperdinger, N. Lopez, B. Sarmiento, N. Cabrera, S. Martinez DMF,
3:
2:
1:
C. Leyes, J. Serrano


Sure 6 in Braña?

well, thats the actual value, practically he didn't play this semester.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 20, 17:03

I forgot Cerro in Racing.. is 4 or 3.

Paablito wrote:well, thats the actual value, practically he didn't play this semester.


Oka.

chamakh wrote:@Scaramusso isnt Buffarini form 6 as top? Imo he fluctuates a lot his level in the last time


I remember him playing bad just the first tournament with Pizzi (first matches as sb), after that he played every match in our championship + a crazy level in the cup without defensive mistakes, and in his first tournament here he was the key for our salvation.. he's got a crazy form.

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San Lorenzo list, tell me where aren't agree.

7: Mercier, Buffarini
6: Torrico, Kannemann, Ortigoza, Romagnoli, Matos
5: Cetto, Fontanini (or 4), Mas (or 6), Kalinski (or 4), Barrientos, Correa, Villalba, Verón, Blandi, Cauteruccio
4: Prosperi, Catalán, Quignon, Cavallaro
3: Arias, Barbaro, Mirabaje, Navarro, Contreras
- Yepes and Franco there aren't way to rate their deployment here, 1 and 2 games played.. for that I keep their current values in the last page.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby thor34 » 2014 Oct 20, 22:01

Scaramuso wrote:
River

7: Barovero
6: Chiarini, Maidana (or 7), Mercado, Vangioni, Kranevitter, Rojas, Sánchez
5: Funes Mori, Pezzella, Cavenaghi, Teo
4: Uribarri, González Pirez, Balanta, Mora, Ponzio (or 3), Solari, Simeone, Driussi, Martínez, Boyé
3: Abecasis, Cirigliano, Affraichino, Ferreyra
2: Aguirre


I agree, because decrease the form to Cirigliano and Balanta? almost they did not play and not can you know his condition, yesterday Balanta played its first game and had good match
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby chamakh » 2014 Oct 20, 22:18

Imo Cavenaghi needs 4 and Balanta 5....
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Paablito » 2014 Oct 22, 02:33

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Scaramuso wrote:7: Mercier, Buffarini
6: Torrico, Kannemann, Ortigoza, Romagnoli, Matos
5: Cetto, Fontanini (or 4), Mas (or 6), Kalinski (or 4), Barrientos, Correa, Villalba, Verón, Blandi, Cauteruccio
4: Prosperi, Catalán, Quignon, Cavallaro
3: Arias, Barbaro, Mirabaje, Navarro, Contreras
- Yepes and Franco there aren't way to rate their deployment here, 1 and 2 games played.. for that I keep their current values in the last page.

thb that list make me doubt a lot, buffa 7? i remember a lot of matches that his development in the pitch was bad, same as ortigoza - aside that i love this fucking fat ass - i have some things to post in villalba's thread, matos in all boys for sure was 4, now i'll rate him with 5.
tbh i really like my past post about san lorenzo's condition
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Paablito wrote:San Lorenzo
8:
7: Mercier
6: Torrico, Buffarini (or 7), Romagnoli,
5: Matos (or 6), Valdés, Gentiletti, Fontanini, Cetto, Ortigoza, Kannemann, Mas, Correa, Villalba, Elizari, Blandi, Matos,
4: Alvarez (or 5), Kalinski, Cavallaro, Piatti,
3: Catalán, Navarro
2: Voboril
?: Cauteruccio, Verón,


btw i have a headache to rate lanus and newell's players, a lot seems 4 in condition, with few 5 and marchesin/maxi in 6.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 23, 12:02

Updated River. Didn't touch that much Aguirre's cond as he barely played, still that 6 remained really high, 4 is fine for him. Yeah didn't touch balanta's and cirigliano's. I don't know what to do with Teo tbh.

It's really hard to rate Banfield's team, what about this?

6: Bianchi Arce
5: Bologna, Noguera, Tagliafico (or 6?), Domingo (or 6?), Erviti (or 4?), Cazares (or 6?), Noir, Salcedo
4: Rigamonti, Servio, Toledo, García, Bertolo, Zarif, Yeri, Chetti, Terzaghi
3: Requena

Defensa y Justicia:
5: Leyes, Bertocchi, Camacho (or 6?), Yacuzzi, Brian Fernández
4: Pellegrino, Matheu, De Miranda, Faccioli, Casteglione, Tejera, Martínez, Benítez, Vella, Tellechea, Becerra, Rius, Leandro González, Julio Rodríguez

Godoy Cruz:
6: José Luis Fernández?
5: Moyano, Diego Rodríguez (or 6?), Zuqui, Aquino, Ayoví, Rubén Ramírez
4: Aguilera, García Guerreño, Olivares, Alvacete?, Ceballos, Velázquez, Cosaro, Jerez Silva, Lértora, Cooper, Chávez, Cabrera (or 5?), Sergio López, leandro Fernández, Garro
3: Burgos
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Oct 23, 12:44

Pablo I don't want say the same again but your list was before win the cup lol

And isn't just the cup, I mean, after 2012 all SL player were the most regular of afa probably, first tournament with Pizzi between the first 5, champions, final of Copa Argentina, Copa Libertadores.. great process.

Villalba is 4 for sure now, but had a great cup like all the team.

Vickingo wrote:It's really hard to rate Banfield's team, what about this?

6: Bianchi Arce
5: Bologna, Noguera, Tagliafico (or 6?), Domingo (or 6?), Erviti (or 4?), Cazares (or 6?), Noir, Salcedo
4: Rigamonti, Servio, Toledo, García, Bertolo, Zarif, Yeri, Chetti, Terzaghi
3: Requena


Scaramuso wrote:Banfield

6: Bologna (injured), Bianchi Arce, Domingo, Ervitti
5: Noguera, Tagliafico, Bertolo, Toledo, Terzagui (or 4), Noir, Cazares, Salcedo
4: Rigamonti, Zarif, Yeri, Prichoda, García, Chetti
3: Broggi, Requena


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Defensa y Justicia:
5: Leyes, Bertocchi, Camacho (or 6?), Yacuzzi, Brian Fernández
4: Pellegrino, Matheu, De Miranda, Faccioli, Casteglione, Tejera, Martínez, Benítez, Vella, Tellechea, Becerra, Rius, Leandro González, Julio Rodríguez


Leyes 4 and Camacho 5 imo, Matheu probably 3? and Tellechea 5, in te rest agree.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 29, 11:28

Updated Banfield and Defensa.

What about this? Olimpo:
6: Furios, Champagne
5: Villanueva, Jonathan Blanco, Moiraghi (or 4?)
4: Cobo, Achucarro, David Vega, Sills, Vuletich (or 3), Mansilla (or 5?), Cuero, Gil (or 5?), A. Martínez, Borja
3: Olivares (or 4?)
2: Gaona Lugo

EDIT: Also Godoy Cruz, San Lorenzo and Olimpo.
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Re: Discussion Ladders

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Oct 29, 11:46

Tigre:
6: Peñalba
5: Arzura, Itabel, Blengio, Galmarini, Canuto, J. García, Rincón
4: Navarro, Rusculleda, Ellacópulos, Cosaro, Menossi, Pablo Cáceres, Bertoglio, Facundo Sánchez, Vitti, Luna, Wilchez
3: Acevedo, Erik Godoy

Vélez:
7: Pratto
6: Cubero
5: Papa, Nanni, Caraglio, Correa, S. Domínguez, Sosa
4: Gianetti, Pucheta, Aguerre, Desábato, Asad, Rolón (or 5?), Pérez Acuña, Ferreira, Cabral, Romero, Cáseres
3: Cardozo

@Paablito, will you update Lanús and Newell's? Also Rosario Central is missing.

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