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Mario Götze

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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Oct 09, 03:21

Yeah, he is a very supportive player but is also due BVB tactics and we can noticed that because its not only him but Kuba and Reus that does the same switching position constantly. I am not against a small boost indeed (by a point) same as his DA and STA.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Oct 09, 08:18

Was pretty nice as a SS in the match vs. City. with his technical abilities, how he drops back to link up with the CMs. created ways, create chances. But his accuracy is a shame. he could score easily 10 15 goals ina season, but he misses so many chances. Season by season
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby KillaKlo » 2012 Oct 10, 18:30

he played smf vs city.


btw, i think we should switch SA and ST.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Oct 10, 20:51

take a view to the klopp interview after the match where he said 4-3-3 with reus and götze as ss
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby KillaKlo » 2012 Oct 11, 17:14

offensively he had a free role and moved over the whole pitch, defensively he was clearly a smf in a 4-5-1 system.

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edit: thats not really relevant for the thread of course, i was just a bit confused of you naming it ss.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby jurgens » 2012 Oct 26, 21:52

Agree with higher DA, been using him with 88 myself for awhile. He also needs a slight increase in attack, maybe it's a slight change, but I feel an 83 is more deserving, bordering 84. Also, hes looking a lot faster than he was last year after his return from injury, I think his TS can go back to an 80.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby midnight » 2012 Oct 26, 21:55

agree with a TS raise.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Oct 27, 01:10

also agree with the suggestions, about DA I see him at least on par with Schlaudraff, maybe even a tad higher than him.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Oct 27, 03:28

Finally higher TS (80) !! I have raised DA to 88 (2 points) but as Malakayi say, he could be easily at Schlaudraff level. Fine with higher ATT too. The duo that he is making with Reus is really interesting not only for BVB but for the NT.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Hayame » 2012 Nov 25, 14:13

he has 1 card to much. You can´t add all in PES 13 so one card has to be deleted.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Nov 25, 17:48

I would dismiss Sombrero card.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Dec 12, 15:15

I thought about increasing both SPA (83->87) and LPA (82->84) while keeping current passing speed values. I don't see such a high gap between Mario and Kroos or Holtby. An 86 would be the ideal value for him imo, on a personal note I see him on the same level as Holtby (currently 86, suggestion incoming) in short passing, 1 point above the likes of Diego (still on 84 SPA though, I suggest a raise in his thread) and Arango and 1 point below VdV. Ladder wise that'd be an ideal position for him.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby jurgens » 2012 Dec 12, 15:23

What does he do to warrant a value like that? Hes never been the sort of player to dictate play with passing, he very rarely makes a dangerous through ball, and does get his passing wrong more than you'd expect a player to with that spa. If gotzes on an 87, then we'd need to take cazorla up to 94..
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Dec 12, 16:07

Considering his role and position his short passing is at the top of the league, he doesn't show the gorgeous long balls like Riquelme or the likes but passes over 2-3 meters are what he shines at, especially key passes or trough balls. As for your claim that he often misplaces his passes you have to consider that Dortmund's system contradicts a high percentage of successful passes (where Götze's 82.2% are great for one of the offensive 4), they're pressing like crazy and 90% of their attacking combinations are executed at the highest speed which makes it essential for the team to have players like Götze, Reus or Kuba who are above average, imagine some mediocre players trying combinations like this, they'd fuck up all the time. You watched BVB vs. City in Manchester, possession always changed so quickly in this match but that's part of Dortmund's tactic.

You claim he doesn't dictate play with passing, that's right, he can't. And even if he could, I'm sure that he won't because he has so much more options. Kroos nowadays sits on SPA 89 - which is also well deserved in my eyes - and he has a different style, showing more the classic longer through balls about 5m distance and more but is this really an adequate parameter to rate SPA? Götze just is a short passer. But he excells there in the scope of his possibilities. I don't say that my destined value of SPA 87 is carved in stone but a raise is definitely needed imo. We just have 2 parameters to rate short passing and so many different playstyles or team tactics in reality that influence a player's passing in a game or over the course of a seaosn, it's hard to compare different players there.

On another note I am sure that Mario would do even better in Barca's system than in Dortmund due to his style.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby furymaker » 2012 Dec 12, 16:30

Gotze is not close to Kroos , Kroos needs update , he's one the best passers around , while Gotze on other hand is above average , 85 at most ( SPA )
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby CHarper » 2012 Dec 12, 17:26

I have seen little of Dortmund but I have been impressed with the speed and accuracy of passes
team are highly mobile, and good passes as mentioned. Reus, Kuba and Gotze
in that ense are above entire bundesliga.
Maybe Yes deserves more SPA and LPA but not exaggerate,
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby jurgens » 2012 Dec 12, 21:07

Malakayi wrote:Considering his role and position his short passing is at the top of the league, he doesn't show the gorgeous long balls like Riquelme or the likes but passes over 2-3 meters are what he shines at, especially key passes or trough balls. As for your claim that he often misplaces his passes you have to consider that Dortmund's system contradicts a high percentage of successful passes (where Götze's 82.2% are great for one of the offensive 4), they're pressing like crazy and 90% of their attacking combinations are executed at the highest speed which makes it essential for the team to have players like Götze, Reus or Kuba who are above average, imagine some mediocre players trying combinations like this, they'd fuck up all the time. You watched BVB vs. City in Manchester, possession always changed so quickly in this match but that's part of Dortmund's tactic.

You claim he doesn't dictate play with passing, that's right, he can't. And even if he could, I'm sure that he won't because he has so much more options. Kroos nowadays sits on SPA 89 - which is also well deserved in my eyes - and he has a different style, showing more the classic longer through balls about 5m distance and more but is this really an adequate parameter to rate SPA? Götze just is a short passer. But he excells there in the scope of his possibilities. I don't say that my destined value of SPA 87 is carved in stone but a raise is definitely needed imo. We just have 2 parameters to rate short passing and so many different playstyles or team tactics in reality that influence a player's passing in a game or over the course of a seaosn, it's hard to compare different players there.

On another note I am sure that Mario would do even better in Barca's system than in Dortmund due to his style.



I'm not really sure why team tactics etc matter. The quality of the type of passes and the overall difficulty of the passes are the only things we really need to look at imo. Say for example busquets, he doesn't play anything dangerous, but what he does play, he does them incredibly well. So much technique and precision, far over gotze. Gotze rarely shows anything special, hes above average but nothing more than that imo. 84 the max I would give him, and still see that too high globally.
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Dec 12, 23:09

CHarper wrote:I have seen little of Dortmund but I have been impressed with the speed and accuracy of passes
team are highly mobile, and good toilets as mentioned.


toilets? :lol:
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby vinnie » 2012 Dec 12, 23:13

LEL :lol:
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Re: Mario GÖTZE

Postby midnight » 2012 Dec 13, 07:21

Seriously ? don't tell me it has another meaning in spanish
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