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Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 00:52

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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby KeyserSoze » 2017 May 12, 18:02

TS could even be knocked down to 73-74; his ACC is still decent enough to get rid off his mark (off the ball). But he's fairly slow over long distances, regardless of the amount of minutes played or the stack of Stamina he has at any moment.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby ScribbleyDoibus » 2017 Sep 17, 17:18

When was the last time he scored a free kick? is he still undisputed best in the world? HIm and Hakan are top 2 rated on PSD and i dont think they are the 2 best anymore
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Oriello » 2017 Sep 17, 22:39

ScribbleyDoibus wrote:When was the last time he scored a free kick? is he still undisputed best in the world? HIm and Hakan are top 2 rated on PSD and i dont think they are the 2 best anymore

Jan 25th 2017 https://www.transfermarkt.com/miralem-p ... eler/44162

Since coming to Serie A he has scored; 2011/12 (1 freekick), 2012/13 (2), 2013/14 (2), 2014/15 (2), 2015/16 (5), 2016/17 (3)

With Roma he had one outstanding season, with 5 fks scored. With juve he actually was above his usual return of 2 (outside that lone great season) - and this was 'competing' with Dybala for opportunities ..I did not watch him at Roma, was Pjanic sole set-piece taker or did he split the duty with another (Totti was off the bench often no?).

I was looking at Pirlo to compare, his 2014/15 set has FKA 97 and Curling 96 (so does his current New York set), and in that 2014/15 season Pirlo had only scored 3 freekicks and the lone 1 since joining NYFC ... from 2008 to Feb 2012 Pirlo did not score any FKS! Wow, that is interesting to learn..he has FKA 89 for his 2006 set then is rated at FKA 97 in 2011-14.

I still see Pjanic as a big threat, almost at that Adriano level (that boy was about power though) when he attempts them it is almost a penalty - in that the wall does not matter, but I could see him being lower than 95 just to be very up-to-date, somewhere to low 90's hovering maybe just above Dybala (I don't have the stats to back it up, but my impression has been Dybala takes them more often and misses, whilst Pjanic has less attempts and even if not scoring works the keepers..too lazy to sift for those stats atm).


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I was googling who has had the most fks scored in a single season (have not found it yet), but I stumbled on a Daily Mail article Messi vs Cronaldo and they threw up these stats

RONALDO VS MESSI SINCE 2009-10
Player-------------------Free Kick Goals / Free Kick Shots (inc. Blocked) / Conversion
Cristiano Ronaldo-----20-------------------291------------------------------------6.87%
Messi, Lionel-----------17--------------------212------------------------------------8.02%

I was/am under the impression that Cronaldo is a very wasteful player, and Messi only in the last two years maybe has become renowned for his set-pieces (so I guess for 5-6 years in the data he was more wasteful than Cronaldo). Just interesting numbers to me.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Oriello » 2017 Sep 18, 22:03

Oriello wrote:(I don't have the stats to back it up, but my impression has been Dybala takes them more often and misses, whilst Pjanic has less attempts and even if not scoring works the keepers..too lazy to sift for those stats atm).


:lol: I looked into the stats on whoscored.com and I am wrong, memory, a funny faulty thing, half fantasy it seems - yet we use eye witness testimony in courts to decide if people are shoved in a cage..anyways the numbers;

I combined CL and Serie A into single values

Pjanic
Season------Set Piece Shots---Freekicks Scored
2011/12----------1----------------------1
2012/13 ---------28---------------------2
2013/14----------23---------------------2
2014/15 ---------20---------------------2
2015/16----------30---------------------5** [WhoScored 6]
2016/17----------27---------------------3** [WS 2]
2017/18----------3----------------------0

Dybala
Season------Set Piece Shots---Freekicks Scored
2014/15 ---------24---------------------1** [WhoScored 3]
2015/16----------16---------------------2
2016/17----------16---------------------3
2017/18----------4-----------------------2

Of course this does not take into account actual accuracy in aiming at corner/desired location nor can I find a stat for how many of these attempts were saved (maybe that is where the impression is in my mind :mrgreen: I'm grasping here).

Some other dudes

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Messi
Season------Set Piece Shots---Freekicks Scored
2009/10----------12--------------------2
2010/11-----------8--------------------1** [WhoScored 0/NA]
2011/12-----------3---------------------3** [WS 2]
2012/13 ----------2---------------------4** [WS 0/NA]
2013/14-----------4---------------------3** [WS 1]
2014/15 ---------59---------------------2** [WS 5]
2015/16----------51---------------------6** [WS 4 (here its clear WS only data for La Liga missing Copa del Rey and UEFA Supercup fk goals)]
2016/17----------62---------------------4** [WS 6]
2017/18-----------13--------------------0

Cronaldo
Season------Set Piece Shots---Freekicks Scored
2009/10----------17--------------------5** [WhoScored 0/NA]
2010/11-----------20-------------------4** [WS 2]
2011/12----------11----------------------4** [WS 0/NA]
2012/13 ---------14---------------------3** [WS 2]
2013/14----------23---------------------5** [WS 3]
2014/15 ---------71---------------------2** [WS 5]
2015/16----------68---------------------3** [WS 9]
2016/17----------44---------------------3** [WS 4]
2017/18----------0-----------------------0

Pirlo
2009/10----------1--------------------0
2010/11-----------4-------------------0
2011/12----------2----------------------1
2012/13 ---------39---------------------5
2013/14----------32*---------------------4* [6]
2014/15 ---------25---------------------3
2015--------------12---------------------0 (MLS NYFC)
2016--------------15---------------------1
2017---------------7-----------------------0
*(no data for attempts in CL on record but he scored 2, so 6 total in season)


**There is some discrepancy in the data, as I used WhoScored.com for the attempts totals and transfermarkt.com for the goal totals. I did this as transfermarkt lists a greater range of variety in how the goals were scored (i.e. Deflected Shot on goal) and thus I hope/think they will more clearly discern a 'classic' free kick goal, rather than a ping pong effort

..besides its better if two sources line up, though in this case for Cronaldo and Messi there is a great deal of differing totals...truly one of those classic legends that scores a 1000 goals but no accurate records are kept, even in our modern age, our grand children will laugh and mock us...

But since tranfermarkt lists the date and against what opposition the goal was scored (WhoScored does not do this) I trust their numbers more).
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby couldrom » 2017 Dec 24, 14:23

Best playmaker in europe...
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby antony » 2017 Dec 25, 17:48

couldrom wrote:Best playmaker in europe...


he's becoming much more consistent than before, who is agree with Sta/TW raise? 83/87 i'd put .. and also 2/2 atk/def aw. removing free roaming card
talisman card? is another option
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby couldrom » 2017 Dec 26, 16:21

antony wrote:
couldrom wrote:Best playmaker in europe...


he's becoming much more consistent than before, who is agree with Sta/TW raise? 83/87 i'd put .. and also 2/2 atk/def aw. removing free roaming card
talisman card? is another option


Those traits should be secondary in my opinion, it’s passing that needs to be boosted, especially long pass, which I would see at 92.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Oriello » 2017 Dec 26, 17:15

I agree with Stamina and TW raises, the energy he shows is really good, not a completely static playmaker at all.

He really is playing well as the deepest mid, has a good ability to manage his responsibilities in attack and defence... contrast a Pogba "playmaker" who gives little care to chase down a player breaking away or put in a tackle to win the ball back when an unexpected turnover just happened.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Oriello » 2018 Feb 18, 15:12

"Out of all Juventus players Pjanic has the most defensive recoveries this season" - match commentator.

It seems weird that Pjanic is only a point higher than recently updated Pogba, in Defence and Response, yes, he is 17 points higher in TW. I think the Response is fine, but maybe his DEF might be a tad low, he is a decent standing tackler - his superb technique helps in recovering the ball off opponents, he calmly just plays the ball that is in their possession away from them, his slide tackles are a more hazardous - though not Scholes type where a Red is an occurrence. He might be more in the area of DEF 64.

Playing more than just a regista, he takes on the responsibility of pressuring and tracking players. Tactically this guy is great, understands the game forwards and backwards.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby furymaker » 2018 Feb 18, 20:06

can we talk about his stamina and why is it so low at 81? In past 2 seasons he definitely has improved his conditioning and its very noticeable.
He doesnt have any issues running for 90mins, working defensively and offensively, and if there is anything true about CL stats of distance covered he has consistently been at the top for every Juventus player.

Sure he didnt have a good display vs Tottenham, but its mostly due to playing with Khedira alongside him in 4+4+2 who is a box to box/roaming midfielder who offers 0 support or build up play ( control of the game), thats a huge reason why Juve couldnt keep Tottenham off their half.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Oriello » 2018 Feb 19, 04:08

Yes Stamina at 81 is too low, I am unsure at what specific value would represent him. As you say he covers much ground during matches, mainly since he is a responsible player he never half assess his tasks, but he does drop off later in matches and can struggle in the closing stages, Allegri has subbed him on occasion to give the midfield more zest to see out a match. An 84-85 might be the area I would consider a maximum, keeping in mind that in some intense matches he fades.

If he were more able to raise his game when juve struggled and be a difference maker, I would rather raise Mentality/Tenacity (also due to aforementioned focus on tasks) and keep Stamina 81 ish, to replicate that mental fortitude to push through struggling legs/lungs and keep making the tracking and supporting runs, whilst diminished.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby furymaker » 2018 Feb 19, 22:28

ye no doubt he is not as energetic in last 15-20mins of the game as he is in first 60-70, even at 20th minute he looks exhausted and has hard time breathing, he just seems to be one of those guys, something like Ozil, but a better version of him.
83-84 imo would be fine, I wouldnt even give him 85, but 81 is rather low.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Epsi » 2018 Apr 29, 13:00

wanna say Pjanic's evolution at juve has reached his peak this season.
first he should be registered as dm*, alla pirlo.
his passing has been superb, in particular I feel his long passing is now higher than spassing, around 92.
defensively talking, he has become solid. Not clean in his tackling but overall better. around 66 for def in my books.
attack, on contrary, considering also his overall contribution offensivly, could be dropped to 78.
speed and dribble stats could be lowered but don't know at which extent.
fka could go down a bit, but kept at oranges, around dybala's.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Epsi » 2019 Apr 15, 19:55

Epsi wrote:wanna say Pjanic's evolution at juve has reached his peak this season.
first he should be registered as dm*, alla pirlo.
his passing has been superb, in particular I feel his long passing is now higher than spassing, around 92.
defensively talking, he has become solid. Not clean in his tackling but overall better. around 66 for def in my books.
attack, on contrary, considering also his overall contribution offensivly, could be dropped to 78.
speed and dribble stats could be lowered but don't know at which extent.
fka could go down a bit, but kept at oranges, around dybala's.


Quoting myself, I propose to lower attack to 78 or 69, defence up to 67, switch long pass with short pass, slighty lower DA (83 or 84), FKA between 89 and 91.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Epsi » 2019 Sep 30, 10:30

Sarri is using him like Jorginho, and he already touches 150 balls per game. Every action goes from his feet. If he continues this way, Tw will need a boost.
Shouldn't be SPA and LPA be swapped?
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby KeyserSoze » 2019 Sep 30, 12:42

Sounds like a good idea.
These new tactics help him to compensate his lack of pace. TS could be even slightly lower, 73 max.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby AdAc » 2019 Sep 30, 14:57

Epsi wrote:If he continues this way, Tw will need a boost.

So true
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby AdAc » 2019 Sep 30, 15:15

I wanted to say that he deserves the stars* for shots from the middle distance and for 1 touch shots

He is the best midfielder in Europe for goals with shots from outside the box, and numbers don't lie
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby Epsi » 2019 Oct 20, 13:32

Sarri is making a world class player out of him.
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Re: Miralem Pjanić

Postby furymaker » 2019 Oct 22, 09:04

Pjanic was always world class player, Sarri is just making most out of it because he's focusing whole gameplan through him, something Allegri didn't like to do.
Pjanic's workrate, passing ability, free kicks and shooting were always up there, Juve bought him for a reason from Roma.

He has always showed his class for Bosnia even if he was 2nd fiddle to Misimovic and later on we really didn't try to play through him, but his abilities were always there.

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