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Darko Lazović

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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2015 Jul 19, 13:12

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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2015 Nov 08, 17:25

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Re: Darko Lazović

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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Hostafler99 » 2016 Sep 23, 09:10

Glad to see him doing good, but I know he can be better, I hope he'll prove it.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2016 Oct 25, 23:04

I've heard he's been quite good this year?
His Att isn't below green, as well as LPA. He is extremely dangerous when he's on fire but can also be really frustrating while he's out of form. He basically doesn't look like him at these days. Perhaps I should have given him Form 3 while he was playing for Cz. DS is impressive as well. Shooting is also quite underrated.. He is inconsistant but very capable shooter. here you've got a two perfect examples of this - https://youtu.be/6XdYsGLkyH0?t=68 https://youtu.be/6XdYsGLkyH0?t=254
you can find more at this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdYsGLkyH0
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby antony » 2016 Dec 11, 23:08

Really impressed by him today, totally owned his side .. ok with Nagatomo is simple but he outpaced him in speed with a disarming facility
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Relja » 2017 Jan 19, 14:21

His SPA can't be over his LPA. He's a typical crosser, hes rarely playing any complicated short passes, he's pumping a lot of crosses into the box. The quality is variable, because he's crossing a lot after long runs and he gets tired (he's not an early crosser), but i think his LPA can hit the low yellows. On the other side, his SPA can go down to 76.

Here's the example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgMw_uR5NWM

His shooting is also quite underrated, both SA and ST. This is really way blow his level, you must know that he was a winger for years and feel this set is representing him just as a dumb tireless WB, and altough he played on the side of his stronger feet mostly, he had some really nice shots and goals, this is the example of really good (disallowed unfortunately goal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsfYEg448U agains Sweden, when he played on the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiAmyPFlE0 goal in Serbianleague.Surely both STA and SA can go up to greens. ATT too, i don't think he's for whites.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Hostafler99 » 2017 Jan 19, 20:27

Agree with everything, when Partizan fan says it, you know it's true :lol: . But seriously, he's surely better crosser and shooter than this, ATT should be in greens too, even his SP isn't bad, maybe he can be in low yellows, but I don't know if he's consistent enough at this.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby enzo98 » 2018 Dec 20, 15:32

This season he is playing as a LWB (maybe cause Genoa doesn't have anyone who can play there) so i think that his side should be B ;)
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Jan 29, 02:24

https://www.mozzartsport.com/fudbal/ves ... deo/317897

69 for a SA is a baaad call. He's always deserved a value he's had in Serbia, he is a quite precise shooter who always looks for an angles. Same goes with ST, which is lower than deserved, as well as Attack.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Ocrin » 2019 Jan 29, 02:29

VUKDS wrote:https://www.mozzartsport.com/fudbal/vesti/kao-nekad-u-crvenoj-zvezdi-carolije-darka-lazovica-video/317897

69 for a SA is a baaad call. He's always deserved a value he's had in Serbia, he is a quite precise shooter who always looks for an angles. Same goes with ST, which is lower than deserved, as well as Attack.


He's gonna be close to top class with good shooting, is the rest of the set okay to you?
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Epsi » 2019 Jan 29, 09:48

VUKDS wrote:https://www.mozzartsport.com/fudbal/vesti/kao-nekad-u-crvenoj-zvezdi-carolije-darka-lazovica-video/317897

69 for a SA is a baaad call. He's always deserved a value he's had in Serbia, he is a quite precise shooter who always looks for an angles. Same goes with ST, which is lower than deserved, as well as Attack.


Did you ever follow Genoa? He's such an easy miss shooter. He was bought to be a wing, had to stick to defensive positions because he doesn't know how to shot or to cross. Yesterday's goal is a miracle... never seen something like this from Lazovic.

I like him and he surely is a talent, but just can't shoot nor cross.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Jan 29, 13:11

Did you ever follow Genoa?

Yesterday's goal is a miracle... never seen something like this from Lazovic. 


What could I say, you should watch him more carefully.

Right question is - did you ever follow Lazovic before Genoa? Because he used to play a professional football for an 8 years before coming to Genoa. In these 8 years, he's proved that his shooting capacity is on a very good level.
I perhaps could accept the fact that he is A TAD lower rated than in reality, simply because he is playing on a more defensive position that usual for morw than a 2 years and he doesn't have too many chances to demonstrate his shooting abilities, but I can not accept your arguments and these fact that he is actually in 60's.


https://youtu.be/6XdYsGLkyH0

1.13 and 4.13 - a prototype of the right placement

8.00-9.10 a couple of nice finishings

11.14 nice ST

14.03 Excellent shot from a very tough position

There are a plenty of other examples on this video which are portraying his shooting capacities.

https://youtu.be/hdG5o82cYXQ 2.30 ST


On the other side, something you can't see on these videos are his well placed chances which were close to be materialised.
When we are rating a player, especially his shooting abilities, we are supposed to take a look at the larger video material from a longer time period, which is gonna help us to make a very decent and precise picture. Perhaps not a perfect one because nobody here isn't a professional scout or coach who is working on a high level, but a very decent and a rational one - an objective picture which is gonna present us things on the way they are, not a way that we want them to be or a way our irrational factors make us believe think they are like.

I am saying this because Lazovic got a significant downgrade just a couple of months after he came to Genoa, I think it was more than a 5 points for the SA, ST and LPA(which got upgraded once again).

Lazovic is a very decent shooter. He is based on a curved Insigne shots which are hitting the target. Also, he is a very decent finisher and his ST ain't bad at all. He's scored a quite few goals with the nice volleys.

He can misplace a shot badly but that's what happens with players which have that kind of shot style - curved shot sent by inner shot. Besides that, he is a right footed right winger and that's making his job ten times harder. Not to mention his mental side of the game and consistancy problems.


Having his shooting stats on 60's is just wrong.
He ain't perfect, that's true, but nobody's said that he is a world class shooter. Is he significantly better than this? Don't even doubt about that


but just can't shoot nor cross.


Sorry man but I don't know what are you talking about. Besides his sense for the game and an overall dribbling skills, Lazovic is best known for his extraordinary crossing. His LPA should actually be higher.
He is a top early crosser and someone who can deliever you a significant amount of assists if you have a forward or a left winger with a good header.

I simply can't conclude how do you find him be a bad crosser? His crossing is one of his main weapons.
Yes, he is a right footed right winger who is delievering a big amount of crosses per game, same as Candreva. It's logical that he can't hit everything perfectly.

Anyone who was watching him for a some time knows about his crossing qualities but I am gonna post a couple of examples for the people which don't know it.


https://youtu.be/iulh4D-Kh20 a video full of a SICK crosses. I am just gonna post a few of them. Note - it's made solely by a one part of 16/17 material
0.07 ; 0.22 ; 0.43 ; 1.36 ; 1.45 ; 2.23 ; 2.42 ; 3.10 ; 3.22
https://youtu.be/9OMZRnw51AU 0.59
https://youtu.be/6XdYsGLkyH0 14.42
https://youtu.be/N0eE_vaXmjI 3.21


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He was bought to be a wing, had to stick to defensive positions because he doesn't know how to shot or to cross


I am sorry but that's simply not true. He is a winger, R footed R winger.

Genoa is using 3-5-2 formation for more than a 2 years now and that's why Lazovic can't play as a typical winger - that position doesn't exist in their formation. That's why he is a RWB for the some time now.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Epsi » 2019 Jan 29, 13:42

He plays on Genoa from 2015. scored like 4 goals in 100 appareances? Not even a centerback scores so few goals...
when he started on 2015-16 he was dubbed to do the right wing on the 3-4-3 with Gasperini... but he simply wasn't capable of being an offensive winger, so from 2016 he was shifted to the midfield as wingback. Because. he wasn't. an. offensive. threat. couldn't. score. for shit.
Trust me, I follow Genoa and I go to the stadium almost every week, I know a lot about Darko...

LPA at 78 is veeery generous, and SA at 69 is just right. You can score tap-ins with 69 SA, thing that Darko isn't even capble of. PSd should really get rid of these all rounded sets and makes every player standardized on a very good level. Players should have their strenghts and their weaknesses more highlighted.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Jan 29, 15:26

Trust me, I follow Genoa and I go to the stadium almost every week, I know a lot about Darko...

I respect that. I also know a lot about him, as I've watched his every single game from 2009. to 2015.

PSd should really get rid of these all rounded sets and makes every player standardized on a very good level. Players should have their strenghts and their weaknesses more highlighted

I could agree with that if you show me which part of his set should be ,,standarized" and which are his strengths/weaknesses?
Following that, I can propose a LPA upgrade. Besides my experience with Lazovic and a videos examples I've posted, as Genoa follower you should be aware of fact that Lazovic is a corner kick taker for their side over Miguel Veloso. Not just a corner kicks, he is taking every set piece for them. I don't like these kind of arguments but that's a significant fact.


Sorry but I didn't see any kind of real argument by your side except ,,I watch him every game" stuff. That's kind of stuff we used to see by Matty while he was writing us about his grandpa's descriptions of the 50's players.
I am not saying you are Matty, I actually like most of your work, just think that you are totally missing the point at this topic and that you should reconsider you thoughts about this. Believe me, everyone from Serbia have a different opinion than you on this topic. Even the people who watch Lazovic at Genoa.


On the other side, I could also follow your path and write an abstract arguments like that, simply because I've had a chance to follow him for a 6 years, but I've decided to spend a bit of my time and post a video exampled which are showing you his true qualities.
We can't judge a players on that way. Going with that logic, Cavani would get a greens for the shooting stats. Same goes with Candreva and his long passing.

You can score tap-ins with 69 SA, thing that Darko isn't even capble of.

Seems to me that you've decided not to watch my videos. If you've made a different decision and decided to give some respect to the other side, you would have an oportunity to see that quoted words are a totally wrong.

Also, how exactly we could connect statistics with the way we rate a players? Cuardado has scored 14 goals in the 130 games for Juventus and he has a green shooting stats, his SA is just one point below a current Insigne's value. I can go on his thread and based on that single fact write that his shooting stats should be nerfed to the low 70's... Just because he scored ONLY 14 goals for the top flight team like Juventus. Would I be right?
On the othwr side, Lazovic has got that value after just a couple of months spent in Serie A, a long before his 90. game. His former value was a bit too much but 60's... That's ridiculous imo.


when he started on 2015-16 he was dubbed to do the right wing on the 3-4-3 with Gasperini... but he simply wasn't capable of being an offensive winger, so from 2016 he was shifted to the midfield as wingback. Because. he wasn't. an. offensive. threat. couldn't. score. for shit.


This also isn't acually true. He did have a small chance at 15/16 season but he got a more serious oportunity in the starting 11 a couple of months after the season's started.
Also, a single fact that he didn't have so many minutes doesn't give us anything about the thing connected with his ,,ability to score". There are a plenty of factors which are affecting if the player is gonna have a minutes or not - his individual uniqueness, experience, relations with the coach, tactics, level of his team mates... I am not surprised at all with the fact that Lazovic didn't have so many minutes. Genoa's had too many quality players and I can totally understand a fact why the coach decided to put Laxalt/Suso/Cerci play instead of inconsistant guy like Lazovic.

Also, how exactly you could connect the shooting abilities with the level of danger which player brings? For another time - Lazovic is a right footed right winger, his job isn't to shot constantly. Even if he was supposed to do that, he would become a dangerous player just by making a significant amount of shots per game, even if a most of them were inaccurate... But you say that he wasn't dangerous, so I came to conclusion that he wasn't taking so many shots...
On the other side, he did that in Serbia, he's had a tendention to take an incisive runs with his left foot.


All in all, I just can't agree with you saying that he is a bad at shooting, and especially when you say that he is bad at crossing. Crossing is one of his main weapons and he is GOOD at it. A fact that he can missplace the cross or shot and some random Genoa fans are making a fun of him on a social medias with posting gifs of it, which is probably affecting on everybody's opinion in the country, doesn't say us anything.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Luhum » 2019 Jan 29, 15:37

Lazović is a very good player, i don't think he should ever again play on the straight out right wing. I recently wrote a post on Kostić's thread, about how he was a left footed left winger, and now shines as a left wing back. The same thing goes for Lazović, he's so good on the right wing back position, and for this level of football would be really much less efficient as a classic right winger. Most of the coaches want their wingers being able to cut inside with the ball, play narrow, open spaces for their fullback. You're capable of doing that while playing nominally on the right, but occupying more central positions, like Eriksen, or Lemar (on the"left", at Monaco) but Darko really have to hug the touchline to shine.

Epsi you're such an ignorant guy sometimes, how can Lazović be labelled as a player who can't CROSS? He is taking corners currently in Genoa, ahead of Veloso who's on 85 lpa, 89 lps? Corners are reserved for the specialists only, for most of the time. Prandelli disagrees with that theory.

Lazović's one of the best qualities is out and out crossing, but he's trying a lot and he's being quite successful, i personally can see Darko going to 81 for LPA, maybe even 82. Saying he CAN'T CROSS, that's fucking insane Epsi, no offense but you're making loads of comments with no sense at all, like at all.

On the other hand, DA is too high on 82, i can see dropping him to high greens, he relies on kicking the ball a lot, he puts so much pace into his runs and having him on 82 overpowers him maybe? Something like 79 DA, DS this high and run around card, that sounds fair?

Don't think his agility warrants 84 too, in the video poster up there, for instance, you can see him having some really nasty turns, but the 2 i saw were against Ghoulam and Jordan Lukaku who are both on 76, which is a doubtfully high level for both tbh, i personally nevermind those examples just don't see Lazović on 84 agi. Maybe 81, not only due to the pure level of his explosive power.

I am mostly trying to give this set a balance, cause i'll defo go for LPA, ATT update now, and highly likely shooting very soon


Regarding his shooting, yeah he's not this bad, but i don't know really, i can't really speak about the exact value, but definetely not this low. I won't touch that just for the sake of updating it randomly, if we come to the conclusion on this set regarding SA and ST, i'll update it, but again i know he's not this bad, from his time at Serbia
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby Epsi » 2019 Jan 30, 09:55

Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to give you the insight of the milieu and how Lazovic is doing here in Genoa and generally in Serie A, compared to other players of his level and of the league.
I personally don't see the guy to be worth of green attack and yellow LPA, he's not at Candreva's level for example, he's a middle-low level midfielder on the league.

This is just my opinion, please keep comments for you and don't offend me, as I'm not offending you.
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Feb 10, 14:14

https://www.mozzartsport.com/fudbal/ves ... deo/319018
Another assist, 2nd video in the link
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Apr 07, 21:10

https://www.mozzartsport.com/fudbal/ves ... deo/323997

Great goal, 3rd video at here. Great assist by pandev and nice job made by a black guy as well
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Re: Darko Lazović

Postby VUKDS » 2019 May 01, 22:27

wow man, last update just killed him at every single aspect. even got the shooting stats downgrade :lol: it has to be a joke because of the last discussion which turned out to be pretty much pointless after this, can't really see another purpose

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