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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Paddy » 2010 Feb 15, 01:01

Why on earth are you lowering his Shot Technique and raising his Shot accuracy?
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Feb 15, 01:07

because he doesn't strike the ball well under pressure. he also struggles to make clean contact witht the ball first time round. his finishing, however, is really good. he'll almost definitely score if he gets in a goal scoring position. if it weren't for his poor right foot and poor volleying ability, he definitely would score in every chance he got. that really isn't considerably better than the average winger or fullback. that explain it for ya'? :P
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Feb 18, 21:02

attack can easily be 78 if players like nicolita are given 78 as well...
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Kanouté » 2010 Feb 18, 21:10

Yes. He is so much attack minded.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Feb 18, 21:29

he has an amazing attacking intelligence. his anticipation, runs and finishing are all above average for a tsl winger. he can finish as well as an average tsl striker.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Paddy » 2010 Mar 04, 20:27

Ali, do you still have the set we worked on, or is that all in the past and gone now?
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Omer » 2010 Mar 04, 20:34

why do u want to drop his balance ? he is really strong
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Mar 04, 21:41

strong? not really, but he does seem stronger than Guiza so I guess there's no need for a change. Paddy, I remember the changes you had in mind, but I'm afraid I don't have the set :oops: :( I can't seem to find it on my notebook :oops: Sorry, mate. I remember you wanting his shooting ability switched about and his free kick ability raised, am i right?
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Paddy » 2010 Mar 04, 22:00

I, thanks to a lady friend, save the convo's I have on MSN, so I'll tell you the changes in here when I've got it sorted.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Mar 12, 02:58

Updated this guy :)
Note: Defensively, he's similar to Belhadj. For anyone who's wondering why I raised his defence.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby Paddy » 2010 Mar 12, 13:21

Belhadj's stats are wrong though ;)
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby kladd1 » 2010 Mar 12, 13:45

Might want to take away SS to list of positions and replace it with WB.
Defense should be max 60 imo and aggression should be slightly lowered.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Mar 13, 01:31

kladd1 wrote:Might want to take away SS to list of positions and replace it with WB.
Defense should be max 60 imo and aggression should be slightly lowered.


erm...no? reason being because he's actually played in Alex's position. aggression should ab solutely stay on 85. he's off ball movement is equivalent to that of a poacher. unless belhadj actually has his defence lowered then i refuse to change the first post because of paddy's personal OF :roll:
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Jul 04, 22:19

I think considering recent changes in TSL and his 09/10 performance, first posts looks a bit "imba". First of all we shall decide whether he shall be rated as SMF or SB. I think Michel Bastos and Gilberto Melo comparsion might help us. He was expected to be called up for Brazil WC squad as a part of fullback rotation but Dunga gave up on him as he chose Bastos and Gilberto Melo.

According to football-lineups.com in TSL he played 13 times as SB and 10 times as SM. In the beginnig of the season he was more like a SM but he completed season as fullback. His total performance in 09/10 is 44 games 11 goals and 4 assists. In TSL he playd 27 games scored 5 goals and made 2 assists. In Euro leagues he scored 5 goals and 4 of them were against mediocre teams like Honved and FC Sion. In that sense his attacking effectiveness is like Kader Keita who also completed league with 5 goals. I consider Keita better at going on forward than Andre Santos. Hence, I rate Andre Santos' attack lower than Keita and Bastos. (SA and ST shall be re-considered as Keita seems to me a bit overrated in these fields)

I believe defence is the main problem of Andre Santos. He very often leaves open gaps behind him, despite his good stamina and he frequently fails to chase his opponents especially as he solely focused on attacking. Besides, considering Bastos at 60 and Gilberto Melo at 62, Andre Santos' defence shall be between 60-63 range. I suggest lowering his defence to 62 and raising his response to 81. So that he may leave open gaps but his timing in tackles would be very good for TSL standards.

His ground passes are also a bit high. I remember Ali was suggestion to keep him on same level of Mehmet Topuz. Santos' crosses may be than Mehmet Topuz but his SPA imo shall not be higher than 78.


My suggestions about him:

Position: SB*, SM
Side: L

Attack: 76
Defence: 62
Response: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 78
Short Pass Speed: 77
Long Pass Accuracy: 84
Long Pass Speed: 82
Curling: 80
Team Work: 78

is what I've been testing him for a while. What do you guys think about it?
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Aug 28, 21:41

and balance shall be higher
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Aug 29, 01:15

I don't think Santos is a good crosser. He just punts the ball into the crowd without actually trying to find a specific person in a crowd. He has more placement in his free kicks than his crosses. As Maguss mentioned in an earlier post, his crossing is inconsistent and powerful. I say, we swap LPA and LPS. His crosses aren't difficult to intercept. Santos is also a good ground passer, but a yellow figure is looking overrated on global ladders. He's one of the safest passers in the team and has shown to have good vision as well. Santos doesn't deserve to be on par with Clichy purely because he isn't just a safe passer. Again, SPA and SPS should be swapped around. His balance could possibly be raised to 80, but not anymore higher. He's good at holding up the ball and is generally strong against most people he comes across on the flank, but he simply doesn't deserve to be on par with Gokhan on the opposite flank. Gokhan should be rated higher because he is a tougher tackler and also to compensate for Gokhan's smaller build. Balance wouldn't look bad on 80. Caner Erkin definitely isn't as strong as Santos. His tenacity needs to be sorted out as well. He has funny attitude towards defending and lacks some degree of urgency (and capacity) to defend effectively. Compared to Baroni, he isn't performing as badly. He shows more "bite" to his game without actually being as unprofessional as Baroni. Compared to the following players:

Name---Tenacity
Evra-----83
Cissokho-82
Bonnart--81
Santos should at least be sitting on a yellow value. He's a gritty defender who isn't afraid of the physical side of Turkish football. He genuinely tries to make himself useful on the left hand side and doesn't really have work ethic or attitude problems on the pitch. He isn't as gritty as Bonnart and you don't witness the same urgency with Santos that you see with Cissokho or Evra.
Aurelio---79
Kolarov--78


Defensively speaking, I don't rate Santos worse than Marcelo Vieira so 64 is the lowest figure I can accept for the first post. His aggression will naturally keep him high up the pitch, which will expose his positional sense.
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Sep 12, 08:32

updated the following:

attack
defence
stamina
short pass accuracy
short pass speed
curling
mentality
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Sep 12, 14:45

his short pass speed isn't that bad. his short passes are quick and nippy. personally, the following should be:
short pass accuracy: green
short pass speed: yellow
long pass accuracy: green
long pass speed: yellow
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Sep 12, 16:55

you're right, I missed it. what do you suggest for the values ?
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Re: ANDRÉ SANTOS

Postby A-SK » 2010 Sep 12, 22:27

his crosses are easily intercepted because he doesn't put a lot of power behind his cross, but his ground passes are more unpredictable. i was thinking:
short pass accuracy: 79 *one of the safest passers in the team
short pass speed: 81 *quick 1-2 pass specialist
long pass accuracy: 78 *doesn't look for anyone in particular when crossing
long pass speed: 80* easily intercepted a lot of the time

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