Primera B Nacional updates & ladders discussion

[PES Stats Database]

I will use this thread and copy the great idea from Italian Serie A mods. This will be useful for me and for everyone just in case you watch any Nacional B match. The idea is that if you can contribute, that contribution will be much more important if it's about outdated or old-standared players and concerning this last year performance (I mean, I won't consider notes from 3 years ago as if they're true nowadays)

Green players = have been updated lately/this season, with new concepts and definitions applied.
Yellow players = haven't been updated in a while. May have unconsistencies (for example, high responses on SBs, to menction some), but not necessarily bad sets. Are likely to be fine with some little adjustments.
Red players = old-standared players, with wrong sets or that have never been updated or reviewed, who are likely to get an overall revision of their values.

Aldosivi

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GOALKEEPERS
Pablo CAMPODÓNICO
DEFENDERS
Darío CAJARAVILLA
Facundo NASIF
Juan Pablo PRESENTADO
Leandro Damián AGUIRRE
Ricardo VILLALBA
Walter ZUNINO
Nahuel ROSELLI
MIDFIELDERS
Agustín BRIONES
Enrique SECCAFIEN
Hernán LAMBERTI
Ignacio MALCORRA
Julio IRRAZÁBAL
Mariano HERRÓN
FORWARDS
Matías GIGLI
Claudio GUERRA
Jonathan RAMIS

Almirante Brown

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GOALKEEPERS
Gastón LOSA
Mauro DOBLER
DEFENDERS
Ezequiel GARRÉ
Gabriel DÍAZ
Ezequiel FILIPPETTO
Hernán ORTÍZ
Iván CENTURIÓN
Santiago ECHEVERRÍA
MIDFIELDERS
Héctor OLMEDO
Joel ACOSTA
Jonathan ZACARÍA
Mauro MARRONE
Sergio MEZA SÁNCHEZ
FORWARDS
Cristian Gabriel CHÁVEZ
Diego CEBALLOS
Leonel ALTOBELLI
Pablo CABALLERO

Atlético Tucumán

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GOALKEEPERS
Cristian LUCCHETTI
Ezequiel CACACE
DEFENDERS
César MORE
Deivis BARONE
Líder MÁRMOL
Rodrigo HERRERA
Agustín PEÑA
Francisco DUTARI
Santiago LADINO
Edgardo GALÍNDEZ
MIDFIELDERS
Diego CÁLGARO
Gonzalo BUSTAMANTE
César MONTIGLIO
Diego BARRADO
Gabriel MÉNDEZ
Matías BALLINI
FORWARDS
Cristian PALACIOS
Daniel SALVATIERRA
Federico ALMERARES
Juan Manuel COBELLI
Juan Pablo PEREYRA
Luis RODRÍGUEZ

Banfield

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GOALKEEPERS
German CAFFA
Pablo SANTILLO
DEFENDERS
Alejandro DELFINO
Ariel BROGGI
Marcelo BUSTAMANTE
Marcelo MOSSET
Marcos GALARZA
Rubén ZAMPONI
Gustavo TOLEDO
Adrián RETA
MIDFIELDERS
Nahuel YERI
Alejandro BARBARO
Cristian LEIVA
Jorge Iván PÉREZ
Lihué PRICHODA
Matías Ignacio DÍAZ
Omar ZARIF
Pablo LÓPEZ
Roberto BRUM
FORWARDS
Andres CHÁVEZ
Néstor Andrés SILVERA
Ricardo NOIR

Boca Unidos

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GOALKEEPERS
José Luis MARTÍNEZ GULLOTA
Gastón SESSA
DEFENDERS
Leonardo BARONI
Oscar AYALA
Daniel Kabir MUSTAFÁ
MIDFIELDERS
Diego SÁNCHEZ PAREDES
Oscar GÓMEZ
Alejandro FREZZOTTI
Alfredo RAMÍREZ
Lucas Emanuel ACOSTA
Marcelo QUINTEROS
Matías GARCÍA
FORWARDS
Matías ESPÍNDOLA
Alejandro TOLEDO
Heber ARRIOLA
Pablo BASTIANINI

Crucero del Norte

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DEFENDERS
Juan Pablo CÁRDENAS
MIDFIELDERS
Nicolás GIANNI
Fernando PAGÉS
FORWARDS
Enzo BRUNO

Defensa y Justicia

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GOALKEEPERS
Fernando PELLEGRINO
DEFENDERS
Franco LAZZARONI
Rolando GARCÍA GUERREÑO
Juan Andrés TEJERA
Marcelo CARDOZO
Sergio VELÁZQUEZ
Víctor Emanuel AGUILERA
MIDFIELDERS
Claudio AQUINO
Marcelo BENÍTEZ
Emiliano ROMERO
Facundo PÉREZ CASTRO
Facundo SILVA
Javier REARTE
Martín WAGNER
Matías QUIROGA
FORWARDS
Brian FERNÁNDEZ
Cristián MILLA
Fabricio NUÑEZ
Gonzalo DÍAZ

Gimnasia La Plata

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GOALKEEPERS
Pablo BANGARDINO
Fernando MONETTI
DEFENDERS
Cristian PIARROU
Facundo OREJA
Juan Carlos BLENGIO
Leandro SAPETTI
Lucas LICHT
Oliver BENÍTEZ
Osvaldo BARSOTTINI
MIDFIELDERS
Ariel GARCÍA
Jonathan CHÁVES
Nahuel FERNÁNDES SILVA
Omar POUSO
Emiliano MÉNDEZ
Franco MUSSIS
Germán BASUALDO
Gonzalo CHOY GONZÁLEZ
Nicolás CABRERA
FORWARDS
Facundo PEREYRA
Luis PERALTA
Matías QUIROGA

Instituto

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GOALKEEPERS
Julio CHIARINI
Matías VEGA
DEFENDERS
Raúl DAMIANI
Cristian BÁEZ
Leonardo SÁNCHEZ
Roberto FLORIS
MIDFIELDERS
Cristhian BERNARDI
Federico VISMARA
Gonzalo PIERMARTERI
Maximiliano CORREA
Gonzalo BAZÁN
Marcos AGUIRRE
Mauro BELLONE
Nicolás DELMONTE
FORWARDS
Maximiliano BARREIRO
Nicolás LÓPEZ MACRI
Pablo BURZIO
Javier VELÁZQUEZ
Santiago BIGLIERI

Rosario Central

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GOALKEEPERS
Manuel GARCÍA
Jorge BROUN
Mauricio CARANTA
DEFENDERS
Carlos CASTEGLIONE
Franco PEPPINO
Leonardo TALAMONTI
Nahuel VALENTINI
Rafael DELGADO
Paulo FERRARI
MIDFIELDERS
Alejandro GAGLIARDI
Germán RIVAROLA
José Luis GARCÍA
Milton ZÁRATE
Federico CARRIZO
Hernán ENCINA
Javier YACUZZI
Jesús MÉNDEZ
Julio MOZZO
Nicolás FREITAS
Nery DOMÍNGUEZ
FORWARDS
Antonio MEDINA
Fernando CONIGLIO
Javier TOLEDO
Diego LAGOS
Héctor BRACAMONTE

[Vickingo]

I didn't know where put this but we should start to update Formations and Tactics. Already done with Banfield.

[gotaa]

I ain't having a lot of free time by these days, I've done a couple ones (Atl. Tucuman, Sarmiento, Alte. Brown and GELP). I'll try to do a couple this weekend. Anyhow they'll probably take me some time as most of these topics are incomplete (let's say with no additional info, no squad pics or old ones, bad sized logos and so on).







EDIT: I've started raising CBs Body Balances, as IMO the average defender in this league bases their game in physical strenght rather than any other skill. The pursued ingame effect is making the matches more difficult in the attack, more "fighted" as it is IRL. I updated the players I know better, but there may be other who deserve the upgrade too.

[gotaa]

I've just readjusted ATT on CFs to begin to update some of the strikers whose stats are old-standard-ed and with incoherent stats comparing with First Div players

80 Cristian FABBIANI, Néstor Andrés SILVERA, Víctor PIRIZ ALVES
79 Cristián MILLA, Gonzalo ROVIRA, Heber ARRIOLA, Sebastián BALSAS
78 Javier VELÁZQUEZ, Daniel VEGA, Matías QUIROGA, Sergio BLANCO, Diego MARTÍNEZ
77 Federico ALMERARES, Héctor BRACAMONTE, Pablo CABALLERO Héctor CUEVAS, Miguel FERNÁNDEZ, Osvaldo MIRANDA
76 Claudio GUERRA, Diego CEBALLOS, Javier TOLEDO, Leandro LÁZZARO, Juan Ignacio SÁNCHEZ SOTELO
75 Fernando CONIGLIO, Gabriel PÉREZ TARIFA, Gustavo BLANCO LESCHUK, Juan Manuel COBELLI, Leonel ALTOBELLI, Nahuel BENÍTEZ
74 Alejandro QUINTANA, Oswaldo BLANCO
73 Alejandro TOLEDO, Jerónimo BARRALES, Jorge PIÑERO DA SILVA, Nahuel OVIEDO
72 Pablo BASTIANINI

Blue = players whose ATT remained the same
Green = players whose ATT was raised ↑
White = players with decreased TT (↓)
Red = players which remained the same but because I don't have enough knowledge on.

There are some players such as Fabbiani whom I held with the same value cause it's a long time since he doesn't play; or Silvera, who I really doubt if could keep his yellow value -he isn't less dangerous than in Belgrano, but isn't near to be a menace neither-.
Please if you know any of the "red" players, and can help a bit (at least about past notes) it will be very welcome.

[Vickingo]

Silvera should have that value cause his attacking intelligence, helping in his decision making and his passing ability (he could have passer though, till I'm not sure). It's a really good list. Rovira is right at that number, it's his main strenght, his positioning and how dangerous he can be. Balsas is shit, I remembered cutten down his stats lately, but he could have 75 or so without doubts. Don't you think players like Guerra or Sánchez Sotelo should be in white's? as well as Almerares, mostly are garbage, that Oswaldo Blanco too, set is heavily overrated but I haven't enough knowledge to update him.

[gotaa]

Yes, I knew about your past decreases on Balsas but haven't him much seen, as well as Blanco (whom if I get to see I'll try to make a quick update). I kept Guerra on greens cause I remember a good moment of him in Unión althought his present in Aldosivi is not so good if I'm not wrong (I'd have to watch some of his matches to know better tbh). Sánchez Sotelo has played the last few matches in Olimpo and I got a nice impression on him, I thought he was crapper. Almerares is mostly a menace inside the box, despite he hasn't many minutes in field; I could live with him having sthg like 75 anyways. What I find weird is Rovira... he isn't starter in Douglas. I'll take all your suggestions into account and will update at the end of this first half

[Vickingo]

Seemed interesting to me, a Twitter account published the probable formations in this 1st match of almost all teams. We can wait a bit and update all formations which are old and others don't have it.

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#BrownA Probable vs #Independiente: Giordano; Barbosa, Soto, Echeverría y García; Fabro, Pereyra, Maidana y Lemmo; Aparicio y Guerreiro.

#Crucero Probable vs #Huracán Caffa; Perez, Tomasini, Rosso y Romero; Torres, Calgaro, Nievas y Fileppi; Olivares y Aquino. (@PrensaCrucero)

#SMSJ Probable vs #Aldosivi: Ardente; Quiroga, Ledesma, Mattia y Krupsky; Alvarez, Pérez y Bogado; López, Caprari y González.

#Aldosivi Probable vs #SMSJ: Campodónico; Martínez, Gay, Galván y Cardozo; Lamberti, Navarro, Secaffien e Malcorra; Rius y Soto Torres.

#AlteBrown Probable vs #Banfield: Cacace; Centurión, Olivera, Ibars y Garré; Nadaya, Meza Sánchez, Giménez y Grahl; Pereyra y Figueroa.

#Banfield Probable vs #AlteBrown: Bologna; Toledo, Bianchi Arce y Noguera; Yeri, Domingo y Tagliafico; Cazares; Noir, Chávez y Bertolo.

#Huracán Probable vs #Crucero: Monzón; Mandarino, Mancinelli, Domínguez y Arano; Toranzo, Cuesta y Capurro; Defederico, Caruso y Villafañez.

#GyEJujuy Probable vs #AtléticoTucumán: Hoyos; Sosa, Sanchez, Desvaux y Ruiz; Callejo, Solis, Brun y Espinola; Quiroga y Celiz.

#AtlTucumán Probable vs #GyEJujuy: Lucchetti; Romat, Bianchi, Malagueño y Canever; Montiglio, Barrado y Bazán; Acosta, Rodríguez y Ontivero.

#SpBelgrano Probable vs #IndpteRivadavia: Rigamonti; Vella, Medina, Verino y García; Guruceaga, Dolci, Borzani y Quiroga; Francia; y Velasco

#IndpteRivadavia Probable vs #SpBelgrano: Ayala; García, Aguero, Caballero y Parisi; Peralta, Villarruel y Tonetto; Pérez; Gutierrez y Rossi

#Talleres Probable vs #Sarmiento: Aguiar; Burgos, Avendaño, Vera y Shaffer; Vega, Torres, Britez Ojeda y Barrionuevo; S. Sotelo y Klusener.

#SarmientoJunín Probable vs #Talleres: Ischuk; Aguilar, Coria, Delgado y González; López, Garnier, Iuvalé y Canuto; Tamburelli y Diellos.

#DouglasHaig Probable vs #Instituto: Olivero; Fleita, Gioda y Quintana; Ponce, Mozzo, Passaglia y García Basso; Etevanaux; Mazza y Cuevas.

#Instituto Probable vs #Douglas: Chiarini; Damiani, Masuero, Frontini y De Miranda; L. Macri, Vismara, Tellechea y Favalli; Burzio y Martin.

#Independiente Probable: Rodríguez; Valles u Ojeda, Tula, Velázquez y Mancuello; Zapata y Alderete; Pisano, Montenegro e Insúa; Parra.

#BocaUnidos Probable vs #Ferro: Martínez Gullota; Pèrez, Maldonado, Ortíz y Baroni; Ríos, Gómez, Raymonda e Israilevich; Núñez y Dening.

#Patronato Probable vs #Defensa: Bértoli; Graciani, Minetti, Boggino y Márquez; Machín, Brum, Rodríguez Rojas y García; Comas y López.

#Unión Probable vs #VillaSanCarlos: Castro; Vella, Gerlo, Sánchez y Evangelista; Gagliardi, Martínez, Alemán y García; Palacios y Salinas.

#VillaSanCarlos Probable vs #Unión: Sessa; M. Raverta, Slezack, Di Fulvio y Sapetti; G. Raverta, Morales, Rancez y Gayoso; Silva y Mendoza.

#Defensa Probable vs #Patronato: Pellegrino; Velázquez, Aguilera, Faccioli e Iglesias; Busse, Acevedo y Benítez; Bustamante; Lucero y Guerra

[lucashag]

This keepers needs to get the ATK/DEF Awarness set at 2/2:
Gastón Losa All Boys
Cristian Lucchetti Atletico tucuman
Josue Ayala Atletico tucuman
Gastón Sessa Boca Unidos
Pablo Perafan Douglas Haig
Maximiliano Cavallotti Gimnasia de jujuy
Sebastián Bertolí Patronato

[lucashag]

This keepers needs to get the ATK/DEF Awarness set at 2/2:
Gastón Losa All Boys
Cristian Lucchetti Atletico tucuman
Josue Ayala Atletico tucuman
Gastón Sessa Boca Unidos
Pablo Perafan Douglas Haig
Maximiliano Cavallotti Gimnasia de jujuy
Sebastián Bertolí Patronato

Done this and set all the numbers to 0 (since there are no default numbers in the B)