2017 Player Format

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2017 Player Format

Postby Raster » 2016 Sep 27, 19:08

As you have probably noticed, we launched the 2017 Player Format just in time for the game release, if you did not have the chance to take a look you can do so here.

The new format was also added to the Default Format switcher that we have available at the top of every page.

Also, as always, the buttons for the old formats are still in place so you can enjoy the stats in whatever flavor of the game you prefer more.


What do you guys think of the format or PES 2017 in general ?

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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Sanji » 2017 Jun 15, 01:29

Teamwork is also present in att prowess. You'll notice that high attack means high agression, high attack, high response AND high teamwork. They'll place themselves better on the pitch. Sometimes by running forward, but also by teamwork (supporting player with the ball).

Defensive prowess is both placement and aggression, but in a defensive way, a stat we never had.

And if i may, this makes it atrocious to rate very good CB. Over 90 makes them really good at anticipation, but if your midfield is late on the counter your defender with a really high def prow will always rush 20meters to fight for the ball leaving huge gaps in behind. We used to balance it with teamwork but now we can't.
Well if i'm being fair the tactics matter. Agressive center defense will make it worse. The problem is, this is the best tactic for many big teams. It will make them fight for the ball quicklier, more effectively, etc. Creating a real pressure. Compactness and def line matter too if you want to emulate high press. I suggest to do it this way rather than using the gegenpress for high pressing teams.
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby R9style » 2017 Jul 09, 18:30

Im convinced, Exp power for PES 2017 is Acceleration.
About Agility , maybe , its the combinaison between acceleration (x 2) and Body control (x1) !!
Agility is the abilty to make turns or change direction with more ease. To turn and change direction With more ease and quickly, you need to have hight Balance (or Body Control) and acceleration (exp power).
That the reason why, players like neymar, messi have hight body control and acceleration ( exp power) in this game.

Some interesting Calculation :

Messi : 95 BODY CONTROL (x1) + 88 acc (IMO) (x2) /3 = 90 AGILITY ( like fifa set lol)

Iniesta : 83 BODY CONTROL (x1) + 82 acc (x2) /3= 82 AGILITY ( like psd set )

Neymar if i use Konami BC AND ACC : 92 BODY CONTROL (x1) + 93 acc (x2) /3 = 93 AGILITY (like psd set)

Dembele : 78 BC (X1) + 93 acc (IMO) (x2) /3 = 88 AGILITY (like psd set )

Griezmann : 82 BC (X1) + 86 ACC ( X2) /3 = 85 AGILITY (like psd set)

IBRA : 63 BC (X1) + 74 ACC (X2)/3 = 70 AGILITY ( like psd set)

Lukaku : 58 BC IMO (X1) + 82 ACC (X2) = 74 AGILITY ( like psd set ).

Sergio ramos : 60 BC (X1) + 79 ACC IMO (X2) /3 = 73 AGILITY (like psd set )

Luis Suarez : 77 BC (konami set) (X1) + 83 ACC IMO (X2) / 3 = 81 AGILITY ( like psd set).

i m still realy not sure about this lol.

Your opinion GUYS !!!
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Epsi » 2017 Jul 09, 19:02

interesting point of view but there's not that kind of calculation in stats making for pes 17
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby R9style » 2017 Jul 09, 19:22

Yes i know, its just one estimate to explain IMO the absence of agility in the game.
Some guys here explain HEIGHT AND WEIGHT to determine agility.
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby georgetsiflikas » 2017 Jul 30, 21:22

body control cannot be agility cause then terry would have 82 thats his rating for body control while walcott only 78 who is way more agile than him
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby R9style » 2017 Sep 07, 14:15

Pes 2018: Usain Bolt 99 speed, 99 explosive Power, 75 OVR lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/officialpes/ ... 16/photo/1

:lol: :lol: .
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby R9style » 2017 Sep 07, 14:31

PES 2018 official FULL STATS
http://www.pesmaster.com/pes-2018/search/?myclub=yes

Guys, imo its still bad but, its sooo better now, if we compare to pes 2017 :D
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby kuer86 » 2017 Sep 30, 10:58

Is there a reason why the classic sets dont get updated with the new stats anymore?
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Ocrin » 2018 Mar 21, 15:48

I came to find that body control helps a lot to replicate the effectiveness of players who are really effective dribblers but not so good with DA. In games it really feels like them and they tend to be consistently good at this in real life too. Players like Mbappé or Douglas Costa for example, who are average in terms of pure DA but good dribblers nonetheless, who are effective at taking on players.

It's an attribute that plays a very important part in dribbling and this is probably something to keep in mind when rating these kind of dribblers.
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby tomitos » 2018 Mar 22, 19:53

Although attack prowess is a combination of response and attack, I think that at the time of the update, the fact that it is an independent stat can generate a problem. For example, there are some cases of big differences when only one of them is updated:
Robben 92 Attack - 85 Attack Prowess
Lacazette 90 Attack - 85 Attack Prowess
Iago Aspas 88 Attack - 80 Attack Prowess
Mertens 90 Attack - 86 Attack Prowess

I suggest that, to avoid this inconvenience, Attack Prowess take the same value as Attack IMO
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby giltorrealba » 2018 Apr 02, 19:53

Hello, Greetings I would like to know how to do to share information to add more data from players that are not on the page such as Scott Mctomina
Nationality Scotland
Team Manchester United
League English League
Position CF *, SS, CMF
Age 21
Stronger Foot Right
Height 192
Weight 80
Type Standard

Ability Settings

68 Attacking Prowess
68 Ball Control
65 Dribbling
66 Low Pass
57 Lofted Pass
68 Finishing
58 Piece Taking Set
62 Curve
70 Header
64 Defensive Prowess
65 Ball Winning
67 Kicking Power
65 Speed
66 Explosive Power
65 Body Control
75 Physical Contact
70 Jump
40 Goalkeeping
40 Catching
40 Clearing
40 Reflexes
40 Coverage
66 Stamina
2 NonDom Leg Usage
2 NonDom Leg Prec.
4 Condition
2 Injury Resistance
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Ocrin » 2018 Apr 03, 05:07

giltorrealba wrote:Hello, Greetings I would like to know how to do to share information to add more data from players that are not on the page such as Scott Mctomina
Nationality Scotland
Team Manchester United
League English League
Position CF *, SS, CMF
Age 21
Stronger Foot Right
Height 192
Weight 80
Type Standard

Ability Settings

68 Attacking Prowess
68 Ball Control
65 Dribbling
66 Low Pass
57 Lofted Pass
68 Finishing
58 Piece Taking Set
62 Curve
70 Header
64 Defensive Prowess
65 Ball Winning
67 Kicking Power
65 Speed
66 Explosive Power
65 Body Control
75 Physical Contact
70 Jump
40 Goalkeeping
40 Catching
40 Clearing
40 Reflexes
40 Coverage
66 Stamina
2 NonDom Leg Usage
2 NonDom Leg Prec.
4 Condition
2 Injury Resistance


Hi !

Thanks for your contribution, but you're in the wrong thread.
For each league, we have a "player to be created" thread where you can share your sets, footage and insight about players who are not yet in our database. Try to provide as much data as possible to backup your suggestions !

Here's the thread for the Premier league:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15356
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Hanamiki » 2018 May 03, 07:17

This is another useful source for people who are into reading
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby tomitos » 2018 May 04, 12:44

Could someone give me the formula of defence prowess and attack prowess? I would like to offer to check all the players in search of inconsistencies
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Ocrin » 2018 May 14, 17:11

tomitos wrote:Could someone give me the formula of defence prowess and attack prowess? I would like to offer to check all the players in search of inconsistencies


There's no actual formula really, when the stat was introduced we figured it was a combination of ATT/RES/AGG. I believe we used a formula along the lines of (Att x 2) + Res = Att prowess, but Konami doesn't actually use a formula nowadays, it's just rated like any other attribute.

I personally use ATT and RES as benchmarks to rate Att prowess but honestly I don't do the math. I more or less do the formula in my mind and in most cases the final value is obvious anyway.

Regarding Def and def prowess I barely look at the old def stat anymore to rate it. Def is usually more or less equal to def prowess, but Def prowess has other effects, so sometimes you have to rate it indivudually.
Ball winning is tackling, no formula for that, though great tacklers tend to have high response.
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby tomitos » 2018 May 15, 18:36

Ocrin wrote:
tomitos wrote:Could someone give me the formula of defence prowess and attack prowess? I would like to offer to check all the players in search of inconsistencies


There's no actual formula really, when the stat was introduced we figured it was a combination of ATT/RES/AGG. I believe we used a formula along the lines of (Att x 2) + Res = Att prowess, but Konami doesn't actually use a formula nowadays, it's just rated like any other attribute.

I personally use ATT and RES as benchmarks to rate Att prowess but honestly I don't do the math. I more or less do the formula in my mind and in most cases the final value is obvious anyway.

Regarding Def and def prowess I barely look at the old def stat anymore to rate it. Def is usually more or less equal to def prowess, but Def prowess has other effects, so sometimes you have to rate it indivudually.
Ball winning is tackling, no formula for that, though great tacklers tend to have high response.


I understand perfectly. Anyway, as we all know, PSD gives a little more importance to the old stats, and that is why in some cases the difference with the new stats are considerable (only in a few cases). That is why I offer to pass a list of players that I suggest to review, if you agree.
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Re: 2017 Player Format

Postby Ocrin » 2018 May 15, 18:46

Honestly, the main reason why it looks like older stats have more importance is because we needed some time to properly understand how new stats work. Old stats have been there for 10+ years, most people here and most mods are familiar with them since PES 6 and before. There's a combination of knowledge and comfort regarding the way we rate these stats that makes them way easier to rate and this is why they're somehow prevalent. Being familiar with the scale helps too; IMO there's an obvious lack of synchronisation regarding the scale of the newer stats accross the different leagues, but it's just a question of time really.

Konami really didn't help with that. Their explanation for player attributes don't help at all when they're not non-existent, and since 2011, PES went through a tough transition during which Konami did a fuckload of questionable tinkering with both the stats and the game engine. The result of that was a few very average games (PES 12 and 14 mostly) and they only really started to settle with PES 16 IMO. PES 15 had the core of what PES currently is today but was a very unrefined game.
The stats system went through the same problem and I think most, if not all stat makers had issues getting familiar with these changes. Stats being added, stats names being changed, stats being removed and being roughly emulated through other stats and player cards. The system is still a mess, and though I believe we're slowly getting there, it's hard to settle on it since Konami changes the rulebook every year.

It's true there are a lot of inconsistencies due to how we implemented new stats in the DB, but sticking to suggestions in these player's threads would be a good start. Mods do read and do listen to suggestions; do not mistake lack of responsiveness for a lack of consideration. Feel free to suggest and post when you think something is wrong or inconsistent regarding a player's set. The effort is and will be appreciated anyway.
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