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Jonathan

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 16, 22:22

Full Name: Jonathan Cícero Moreira

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Re: JONATHAN Cícero Moreira

Postby Jaxinho » 2009 Jul 14, 08:42

Certain stats could be changed. His a talented fast right back , can also play in RM! Almost always first chocie of Cruzeiro.
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Re: JONATHAN Cícero Moreira

Postby sauce » 2009 Oct 22, 20:50

Jaxinho wrote:Certain stats could be changed. His a talented fast right back , can also play in RM! Almost always first chocie of Cruzeiro.


You're absolutely right here, in my honest opinion this guy could be another top class brazilian RB.

But I'm not certain about speed numbers, I've tested many many times, played several master leagues with him as my RB, and I just can't get numbers that I'm 100% happy about it.

I just don't get these speed stats, they seem to have an unique effect on each player.

But I'm pretty sure he is a monster in acceleration, his first steps are freakin jumps :lol:
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Oct 22, 21:58

I was thinking about an increase on Stamina (85 and about the TS/ACC value, I think would be fair something like 84/86, ACC on pair with Maicon, and maybe one point more on TS would be fair. What you think, Sauce and Renato?
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2009 Oct 22, 22:30

i agree, TS can be 84
also suggest to add SMF and DA:82~83, SP:82, TEC:81, AGG:82, MEN:77, TW:77, Condition,WFA and WFF could be 6.
he wasn't very good at the end of last year, when i made the first set of stats
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2009 Oct 22, 23:32

agree hes really a great sb, one of the great surprise coming for last 2 years ;)
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby sauce » 2009 Oct 23, 01:30

pedala robinho wrote:I was thinking about an increase on Stamina (85 and about the TS/ACC value, I think would be fair something like 84/86, ACC on pair with Maicon, and maybe one point more on TS would be fair. What you think, Sauce and Renato?


I don't we should compare him to Maicon in speed stats, maybe we should look for someone with similar height/weight

Check this out Jonathan is 170 and 72kg
Here are two well known guys with exact same height
The numbers are Speed Accleration and Dribble speed respective

Tevez 85 86 86 73kg

Ribery 89 93 95 72kg

Now where would Jonathan fit between these guys?
Well IMO almost between these two.

I think he is slightly faster than Tevez and maybe some 3points below Ribery,
Now about ACC imo his strongest aspect of his game definitely better than Tevez but not in Ribery level just yet.

So my suggestions would be 86 TS 88 ACC and 85 for dribble speed, since he is not that fast with the ball.

Now please don't get me wrong, I took these world class guys as example to compare speed only, the rest of his game is nowhere nearthese guys level.
I took some others guys speed values to compare too, like Richardson N'Zogbia and Tobias Weis.

Now about the other stats, I could post some other opinions tomorrow, I'm pretty tired now.
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2009 Oct 23, 13:14

me and pedala agreed with this new set, what u guys think?

Attack: 73
Defence: 68
Balance: 76
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 87
Response: 80
Agility: 84
Dribble Accuracy: 82
Dribble Speed: 84
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 74
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 78
Shot Accuracy: 67
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 72
Free Kick Accuracy: 64
Curling: 70
Header: 70
Jump: 76
Technique: 81
Aggression: 83
Mentality: 79
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 80
Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
Consistency: 6

sauce's suggestions:
TS: 86
ACC: 88
DS: 85
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2009 Oct 23, 14:52

agree
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby rafzin » 2009 Oct 23, 15:01

hmm, i agree with this set and i suggest BB 78, and SPS77
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby sauce » 2009 Oct 23, 15:20

I agree with most of it, but some not. This guy was not a surprise imo, he was a great balanced sb from the beginning of his professional career.
His only problem is when he tends to dribble too much, he isn't that talented technically imo. When he plays passing and running with 1-2 he is superb.

About the set, here is what I disagree:
I think he is very strong I have him at 80 in balance
I don't think he dribbles with the ball that close to his feet I'd have him at 80 or even 79
His passing still pretty bad, specially crossing, they are more strong passing than accurate, I wouldn't give him more than 76 in both accuracy, but defo a green number in both passing speed.
I think he have a pretty powerful shot too and jump maybe 2-3 points more in both.
Maybe he deserves the dribbling star *, and its funny cause imo would be a negative star cause his control isn't that good, and he tends to run with the ball a lot sometimes, that pisses me off.
Fernandinho on the other hand is quite the opposite, all he does is pass, he can't freakin' hold the ball for 10seconds, one should teach something to the other. Although Jonathan is really improving in that aspect, maybe an (optional) dribbling star * would be better.

And finally you guys wouldn't believe how some other stats are similar to mine, the attack defence ratio, response, agility, aggression, teamwork and mentality. Its an incredible coincidence, I think we're on the same page here guys ;) really happy with these stats.
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2009 Oct 23, 20:38

i agree in raising BB, could raise to 79, also raise SP to 83, and Jump to 78, and i was thinking too in adding a star, but i'm not sure to give him *Dribbling or *Tactical Dribble.
what i can't believe is that u don't think he deserves DA:82, he has great control of the ball,
about passing, those stats are good for someone who doesn't have great passing, only need to raise SPS to 77
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Oct 23, 21:04

I think probably a best option is compare him Jonathan to Camilo Zuñiga (viewtopic.php?f=69&t=3194) who's a similar player, with a similar body. It's a good option for even comparing the TS/ACC values, what will help Sauce, Renato and the other guys that see Cruzeiro with some frequency.

So, my propose here, having Sauce suggestions on mind, would be

Body Balance: 79, seeing that Jonathan is a small guy, but he's heavy, what would help him in balance duels.
Acceleration: 88, I would stick with 84 for TS, but the ACC seems an interesting update, it isn't a huge difference, anyways.
Agility: 84 | Dribble Accuracy: 80 | Dribble Speed: 85, seeing Zuñiga, I believe it would be fair for Jonathan for now.
Short Pass Accuracy: 75, wouldn't put over Zuñiga for now.
Long Pass Accuracy: 77, on pair with Zuñiga, still need to work on his crossing ability.
*Dribbling Star, I don't remember that, but I sure agree :D .
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby sauce » 2009 Oct 23, 21:20

Its hard for me to compare with Zuniga since I never seen this guy playing, but I agree with everything you two suggested.

Renato I think 79-80 is good control for his dribbling speed, and 74-76 is good passing, I guess we have different standards. So feel free to use your numbers.
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2009 Oct 23, 22:57

i still disagree with DA and SPA, i really think he desereves DA:82 and SPA:76, did u guys see his pass to Thiago Ribeiro last match?
and did u know that on the youth NT he played as AMF wearing number 10, because of those skills?

EDIT:
i couldn't find any source that show that he wore number 10, but i found this one with number 7
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby sauce » 2009 Oct 25, 23:38

renatomm wrote:i still disagree with DA and SPA, i really think he desereves DA:82 and SPA:76, did u guys see his pass to Thiago Ribeiro last match?
and did u know that on the youth NT he played as AMF wearing number 10, because of those skills?

EDIT:
i couldn't find any source that show that he wore number 10, but i found this one with number 7


Like I said already I didn't disagreed but I have different standards specially for passing. Checking some stats here a green number for passing is very popular, so you guys probably think 76 is an average/decent pass.
Today he played on the midfield most of the game, some sorta of SMF and he showed a good touch.
The reason I think he deserves 'only' 80 is because dribble accuracy is how often the player touch the ball when dribbling, making it easier to maneuver.
I think he is very good at his first, second touch when dribbling, to simplify short dribbling, but when really running with the ball he is not that great.
But I say again, I don't fully disagree with 82.
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2009 Nov 04, 23:12

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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby renatomm » 2010 Feb 23, 02:59

i've talked to tama, and he and brazilianpesfan came with some suggestions for him and i got some too

Attack: 73 -> 75 (1 point lower than Léo Moura)
Short Pass Accuracy: 76 -> 78 (great passes, as i've said before, he already played as AMF)
Short Pass Speed: 74 ->75
Shot Accuracy: 67 -> 70 (improved a lot since the end of last year)
Technique: 81 -> 82 (good 1st touch and vision of the game)
Aggression: 83 -> 85 (SB's in Brazil several times looks like SMF's, and always go to the end of the field to cross)
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Feb 23, 03:04

as i've said in msn, agree with everthing ;)
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Re: JONATHAN Cí­cero Moreira

Postby brazilianpesfan » 2010 Feb 23, 16:42

I agree with all

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