furymaker wrote:i dont think thats true, Messi does what Isco does in a stride, at full speed, at any angle, Isco is smooth as butter on his best days, looks classy as hell due to his movement style i guess, Messi doesn't look so classy but his first touch and control on his best days are still level above
antony wrote:when a player joins Atletico, Fixer gives him a +10 boost in stamina (Simeone's garra)
Csabalala1 wrote:Maybe cause you seem a CR fanboy.
"When it comes to big games with Argentina, well we all know what's the result."
Lets see the facts? Ronaldo do or die matches in big tournaments.
2004 Euro final, 2006 WC semi, 2008 Euro quarters, 2010 WC last 16, 2012 Euro semi, 2014 no match, group stage blow 2016 Euro final, 2017 Conf semi 18 WC last 16...8 matches 0 goal 0 assist, is he the big game player? Ronaldo stayed injury free in every big tournament, but zero result and zero performance (when it mattered), got injured one single time in his history of international football, then Portugal and Eder instantly won him a big tournament. Coincidence? Hardly...
"Ronaldo has scored 99 goals with Portugal, only 28 of them (29%) have been against teams of the 'Top 50' in the world. In the case of Messi, 57 of his 70 goals have been against 'Top 50' (82%)."
So is CR the player who performs in big matches internationally? I have to laugh, sorry if you start trollin you will get a "troll" answer. (with MY facts,not yours, but "These facts are undeniable." with your words.
Plus CR against WC-winners: Ronaldo has never scored against Germany in 4 matches, against France in 4 matches, against Brazil in 3 matches, against England in 3 matches, against Italy in 2 matches and against Uruguay in 1 matches. 17/0.
And the biggest critic against Messi, that he has never scored on WC knockout stages, but CR neither...but Messi at least gave tons of assists in those matches unlike CR.
When will you open the new threads in the CR topic from these?
furymaker wrote:I love how Messi's bar is how many goals or assists he had, also plenty of those games you mentioned that he was in invisible, he was actually outstanding in other areas and just couldn't grab a goal and his teammates couldn't convert the chances he put against them.
So in 10 year period you come and pull out 5-6 ties, about 10 matches to say how his performance drop and judge it on goals and assists, literally lied your way into a narrative that's far from truth.
And after all that, he comes and writes "Messi was ok against Lpool in 1st leg, gone missing in 2nd"
Dude scored 2 goals, literally made Liverpool defense, best in the world at that time, look like just an average defensive side, all on his own.
Not gonna all in details about other games because there's no need to, everyone here can tell from which side you're writing that.
furymaker wrote:Then you dont watch same game as 80% of mankind does, Messi doesnt need to score goals to have a great game or to perform, way he played against Liverpool in those two legs for instance would be a career highlight for every player, match of their careers, literally for all of them excluding 10-15 players, so a lazy narrative like he didnt score in big games but still created 2-3 clear cut chances for his teammates and was only source of danger doesnt really drink water.
If you created a valid point of saying "he had big games in which he couldnt score goals and was let down by teammates who didnt finish chances he created" i would be fine with it
Whichever way you try to turn this attempt of a argument, you will fail since there is no other player that is more consistent in any of your complains towards Messi, he is a standard for so many aspects of the game and till you find another player that comes close to him in this aspects, you should really stay award from arguments with no basis.
furymaker wrote:For instance, game vs Napoli, wasnt one of his best games, but he still did fine even with discomfort he has in his thigh.
he doesnt have to score to have a great game, like he did against Liverpool at Anfield.
furymaker wrote:Yesterday's game against Madrid was quite bad, not gonna even attempt to defend that, but compare that game and one against Liverpool at Anfield and you will see a clear difference, so its not rewriting history, because he was good in that game.
But whatever, feel free to think whatever you want, I'm done with you
messi agression 98Markulur wrote:Agree.
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