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jurgens wrote:jurgens wrote:
Let me rephrase then, hes the best cmf/dmf of all time in attack/def by a yard mile. Attack/def are two of the most important attributes, and for him to be so far ahead of past cmf's in this regard is very suspect to me.
Chenghis.Khan wrote:jurgens wrote:jurgens wrote:
Let me rephrase then, hes the best cmf/dmf of all time in attack/def by a yard mile. Attack/def are two of the most important attributes, and for him to be so far ahead of past cmf's in this regard is very suspect to me.
Alright, my bad.
Do you really think it's a yard mile? I think Redondo (ATK/DEF = 80/82), Rijkaard (78/90), Lahm (77/83), Cambiasso (77/86), Gerrard (83/77), Vieira (77/82), Keane (75/85) are all reasonably close, especially since his effectiveness is kinda balanced out due to his low-ish TW.
I'm not saying Vidal is rated right or wrong (don't know him well), I just wouldn't worry much about his intelligence/prowess being overpowered/ off the scale (IF his play merits the values), all those players (except for maybe Stevie G) will be smarter than him in-game (again TW is huge), Vidal's just really really balanced on an extremely high level but he's a lot more anarchic than other greats in his role. I wouldn't overstate the in-game effect, but maybe it's different in newer games (I play WE9LE).
are all reasonably close,
The most efficient also? My answer is yes, take aside his form.
JMVP wrote:Read some post above, especially were you guys put Yaya vs Vidal, and felt like throwing my two cents. Just because Vidal's has a very high attack value doesn't mean he's going to be the best goal scorer among midfielders. What about shooting stats? Seems like you're trying to ignore how big a role they play in goal tallies, Yaya's shooting is just way more lethal than Vidal´s.
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Epsi wrote:I'm summing up the debated suggestions and what I'm probably going to update it:
DEF 79-80
Stamina 93-95
TW 82-83
IT: B
Maybe also form 6?
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Roy wrote:It's his relentlessly aggressive style that makes him look stronger than he really is, same goes for Chiellini and S. Ramos, they all just fly into challenges, but they're not particularly strong or anything.
2headedEagle wrote:Roy wrote:It's his relentlessly aggressive style that makes him look stronger than he really is, same goes for Chiellini and S. Ramos, they all just fly into challenges, but they're not particularly strong or anything.
I agree , but how would you replicate that thing in PES ? High Response ?
jurgens wrote:i could take a shit on my keyboard and produce something that has more relevance in game
jurgens wrote:the only muscle you'll ever have is that of a better man than yous cock
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