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Luis Suárez

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 10:28

Full Name: Luis Alberto Suárez Díaz
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby vinnie » 2013 Jan 05, 05:40

tasmin i've posted a suarez set i've been working on... could you go by there and give your thoughts? i haven't posted it here because i think it's still a work in progress.. so i'd appreciate some alternate views.

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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby jurgens » 2013 Jan 05, 07:47

I'll just say, I was about to update his set today with 83 bb, 90 attack, 81 sa, before I saw your set.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby Rmb2w » 2013 Jan 05, 09:26

Agree with the update in BB, ATT and SA, also agree with decrease in agility. Nice set there vinnie, gotta admit your work rate is superb, I absolutely have no objection with your set. But I propose you to add Speed Merchant so that we can make him more realistic in-game as his body twists and turns are absolutely crazy but those arent Agility and he does not looks more agile than Sterling IMO.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby midnight » 2013 Jan 05, 09:53

hes still orange Agi for me
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby tasmin » 2013 Jan 05, 10:01

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SUAREZ

Attack: 90
Defence: 44
Balance: 86
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 80
Acceleration: 84
Response: 88
Agility: 89
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 83
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 85
Free Kick Accuracy: 79
Curling: 84
Header: 76
Jump: 76
Technique: 86
Aggression: 89
Mentality: 86
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 79


attack is obviously 90 for me. BB at 86 looks a bit over the top though I think he deserves better than I did give him previously.no shame to say that cause he has been better.

Ts I would say 78. no more than that. he is not fast off the ball. people can rely on me on this matter.

acc I would say at least 85/86. agility I am not sure but should be orange at least for pes 2011 without SM card. DA and Ds the same value I use :) . Agree with SA but ST should be a bit lower. thats one other fault I have made in past. his connection is average and often miss control his shooting.

agg should be 90. finally I would say a bit lower stamina , 88 mentality and FKA 80.

maybe some one could say better than me though !!!
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby vinnie » 2013 Jan 05, 10:31

was testing between 89-91 AGI. i've seen too many times where he struggles to turn, where he looks really clunky and unagile, that i'm a bit uncomfortable with having him so high in AGI, in the sense of how quick his body moves, he's hot and cold, and something like 89 agility and how i rated DS and ACC make him not exaggerated in his movements, in that his occasional limitations and awkwardness in turning is possible, as well as his swift turns, so that it's not always playing like what he can do at his best. that being said, 91 agi, didn't work badly at for me, was deciding on AGI between 89-91, it would be ok to make some comprimises for the moment, just so that the set can be updated properly.

For BB, i think he shouldn't be lower then 84, considering the opinion that he's 83, i can settle with going with 84 atm.

TS i know what you're talking about, watching the vs vids (of 2011-2012), it was obvious he wasn't any more then 78 TS, and i had said that in my description of the set.. however there were instances where he showed some TS that was higher then 78 recently this season. I feel like 80 TS was a good value that looked very realistic from my playthroughs, but that's my opinion.. :)

i have confidence in your opinion about liverpool players.. (especially suarez ;) ) so i suppose implementing your advice isn't a bad choice.


for now to update,

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Attack: 90
Defence: 44
Balance: 84
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 78 / 80 *
Acceleration: 85
Response: 88
Agility: 91
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 83
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 80
Curling: 84
Header: 76
Jump: 76
Technique: 86
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 88
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 79


if you have diffent values in mind for the areas you were suggesting for (STA, ST) then let me know. also, just a small question, is 88 MEN necessary?

i'll work on my set slowly, and hopefully have something complete of my own view at the end of the season or something, to discuss then, but for now i think this is good for an update.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby BigStu » 2013 Jan 05, 11:02

looks like a good update
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby BigStu » 2013 Jan 05, 11:42

updated though left ment at 86
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby Stephon » 2013 Jan 05, 12:27

agree with BB around 83-84, imo stamina should be higher (86-87) maybe?
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby bitz » 2013 Jan 05, 12:37

Why he doesn't have the run around card? It's one of his trademarks.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby BigStu » 2013 Jan 05, 12:46

Becuase I assumed he already had it
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby Epsi » 2013 Jan 05, 13:29

add it then.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby BigStu » 2013 Jan 05, 14:46

have now along with sombrero
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby Epsi » 2013 Jan 05, 14:48

thank you sir :ugeek:
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby ferge » 2013 Jan 06, 03:59

vinnie wrote:was testing between 89-91 AGI. i've seen too many times where he struggles to turn, where he looks really clunky and unagile, that i'm a bit uncomfortable with having him so high in AGI, in the sense of how quick his body moves, he's hot and cold, and something like 89 agility and how i rated DS and ACC make him not exaggerated in his movements, in that his occasional limitations and awkwardness in turning is possible, as well as his swift turns, so that it's not always playing like what he can do at his best. that being said, 91 agi, didn't work badly at for me, was deciding on AGI between 89-91, it would be ok to make some comprimises for the moment, just so that the set can be updated properly.

For BB, i think he shouldn't be lower then 84, considering the opinion that he's 83, i can settle with going with 84 atm.

TS i know what you're talking about, watching the vs vids (of 2011-2012), it was obvious he wasn't any more then 78 TS, and i had said that in my description of the set.. however there were instances where he showed some TS that was higher then 78 recently this season. I feel like 80 TS was a good value that looked very realistic from my playthroughs, but that's my opinion.. :)

i have confidence in your opinion about liverpool players.. (especially suarez ;) ) so i suppose implementing your advice isn't a bad choice.


for now to update,

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Attack: 90
Defence: 44
Balance: 84
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 78 / 80 *
Acceleration: 85
Response: 88
Agility: 91
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 83
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 80
Curling: 84
Header: 76
Jump: 76
Technique: 86
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 88
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 79


if you have diffent values in mind for the areas you were suggesting for (STA, ST) then let me know. also, just a small question, is 88 MEN necessary?

i'll work on my set slowly, and hopefully have something complete of my own view at the end of the season or something, to discuss then, but for now i think this is good for an update.


I know the question was for Tasmin, and sorry if I come across a bit insistent, but it amazes me how people over here don't acknowledge Suarez’s great mentality.

I really don't understand what you mean by is 88 MEN necessary? Will does 2 points affect him on the game to a great extent, probably not, but does he deserve it? To be fair, he deserves higher, he warrants orange mentality in my opinion. It’s a great part of his game and one of his most consistent attributes by far.

I would like to ask you a question, what does Rooney and Tevez show on the pitch that makes them deserve higher mentality than Suarez? I know mentality is not an easy stat to measure btw.

I understand that this is a minor quibble on the great of things, and I love the recent changes, but I just think the change on mentality would make an already great set a little more realistic.

Great work on your set btw, there are some small changes over there that make a world of difference.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby jurgens » 2013 Jan 06, 04:24

ferge wrote:I would like to ask you a question, what does Rooney and Tevez show on the pitch that makes them deserve higher mentality than Suarez? I know mentality is not an easy stat to measure btw.


The differnce between prime rooney and prime tevez in terms of ment, is pretty damn big to me, those guys were absoutely insane. Suarez just ain't on their level, seeing that comparison, 86 is enough.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2013 Jan 09, 22:07

Stamina 83? Is that a joke?
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby vinnie » 2013 Jan 09, 23:38

say what you need to say. enough with the bullshit.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2013 Jan 13, 18:35

83 is only 3 above Torres when the difference between them is like night and day. Suarez is one of the hardest working forwards in the world who not only runs himself into the ground each game also has great conditioning. He's a bit like lampard in his prime in that he can play over 50 games a season and not need a rest. He should also have higher mentality. He's the very definition of the attribute for me, look at today's game as an example, surrounded by 3 players but still scrapping away at the ball and eventually comes away with it setting up a good chance for sturridge.
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Re: Luis Suárez

Postby AccKid » 2013 Jan 15, 13:44

I agree. Moreover, I am under an impression he's been working much more lately under Rogers, as if he would've been talked into it. STA 86 would be much more suitable.

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