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Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Sep 12, 09:59

Nickname: "El Ilusionista" ("The Illusionist") | "El Anti-Galáctico" ("The Anti-Galáctico") | "Cerebro" ("The Brain") | "Don Andrés"

Club: FC Barcelona



S13 - Step On Skills
S20 - Double Touch
S22 - Sombrero


Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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Iniesta at his best. Sharper and - specially - more consistent than ever.

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2009 - 2011

Club: FC Barcelona


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2004 - 2006

Club: FC Barcelona


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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2012 Sep 06, 17:36

Korinov wrote:Hmm, the 07-09 would be a bit different from today, I mean the same player but more a dribbler, a bit faster than today (easily orange DS) but not such a passer.

No to mention freakishly agile, much more than now ;)
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby vinnie » 2012 Sep 10, 05:15

i have some things to say about the 2004-2006 set.

He appears even slower back then compared to now, i don't see any of that speed from the vs vids and full matches i've watched today. He actually looks slower then present iniesta in terms of TS, and slower as well in ACC, about 75/76 TS with 84 ACC

For ONE SMALL example of his TS and ACC due to the generosity of my heart (i'm tired as fuck, if you really want to check, go look at 3 hrs of his 2004, 2005-2006 play :| ), there's this;

Just fucking 1. 8-)

TW could even be about 90, he was actually very team oriented, he didn't make as much use of his dribbling abilities at the time, rather using good support and a good range of passing. he'd drop as far back as the CB's occaisonally, and move about the pitch in tandem with Marquez, and Xavi.

His LPS should be over LPA. He occaisionally tested his accuracy with long passes or switches, and while the pace on the passes were decent, the accuracy was very wanting, low yellows to high greens. LPS looks nice at 84.

I feel like the 91 AGI atm is slightly exaggerated based on youth, his movement speed seems relatively the same as now, even less clever and twisty, 87/88 to me. On the other hand, it could also coincide with the thought that he's just not as clever at using his agility yet, there are glimpses where i saw some agility that is slightly better then current iniesta in a purely physical aspect, but he very very rarely showed it, and never used it as nearly as effective as now. I still wouldn't go as high as 91 though.

In big game situations (i.e. el clasicos) he didn't show much flair, confidence or sharp agility, only using his nimbleness and deft feet to escape when he had to, and in lieu of choices, usually choosing a safe sideways pass or 1-touch return pass. Carrying on from that sense, the ATK value is pretty justified to me. I saw some good attacking intent, awareness and intelligence in some other vs. vids, but in the full matches i watched he didn't display even nearly that, so i don't feel that's enough to fuel an ATK raise.

DA wise, while he didn't use it alot, he showed that when he did use it, he had the similar suction impression with the ball, great control. At least a 90 imo, higher even, not going to try to pin it down exactly, but i hope you get the general emphasis. About 92 on my estimate

Examples;

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DS wise, he didn't go on many long dribbling runs as well, but he had still pretty similar speed on the ball, 84 works.. but i feel like 85/86 is more representative of what he is capable at times, i.e;

Example;

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More on request... same reason, i have proofs, but then i have to go back and find them and i don't have the time and energy atm.

TEC could be pretty flawless too then, at least oranges.

Example;

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Dunno why his mentality is so high, didn't really show real strength against adversity, or sustained level when fatigued... kinda starts to fade a bit by the 70th minute mark.

Also, he seems stronger in those times then currently, i saw him knock zidane over and steal the ball, hold his own against Gravesen in a shoulder to shoulder duel, even battle it out physically occaisonally, I'd say +1/2 here? It's weird, but he does really seem stronger then compared to now.

Iniesta really didn't have much youthful vigor and superior physique compared to now as you'd expect really...

If you're really skeptical about my observations, i could upon request ( a damn polite one it must be ) post the examples, i know i didn't cover all my points with proof, just that it would take so long to go back to find them, and i'm so tired right now... :(
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 10, 06:03

All sounds pretty good to me. These old sets always go unchecked, tones lying around. He has much lower stats, cause hes just young and people hated giving high stats to young players for some retarded reason. Will update with your suggestions soon.
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 10, 06:58

Good suggestions from vinnie. Yeah, Rijkaard used him more as a replacement for Deco or Van Bommel rather than the offensive midfielder he became later. It's something hard to criticise as Iniesta played pretty well in more defensive roles and positions... he pretty much 'exploded' in a more offensive role in the late Rijkaard era, with the team falling apart (I'm talking about the 2007-08 season) then consolidated in the first season under Guardiola.

I've talked previously about the possibility of a 2007-2009 set, his years as a speedy dribbler (seriously, check any videos of that era, orange DS at least).
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 10, 07:04

Why is his position AM in the main set, and why is attack 85?
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 10, 07:07

Shouldn't we just replace it with current set and label it 2009-2012?
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby vinnie » 2012 Sep 12, 06:11

Watched a bunch of vs vids for 08 and 09, I'm not going to offer as much support and video evidence as i usually like to do for such posts simply because there is so much footage for Iniesta that i don't want to do all the work for you. I'm going to burn out if i keep putting so much time into my posts. So I was thinking;

i think his DA is a touch below what he does presently, there are close control situations when 08 iniesta is surrounded or has little space, and can't escape with good control as i've seen him do the 2011-12 season.
AGI is still a bit much for this era from my point of view, not quite so twisty and elusive in legitimately tight spaces, as well, His evasiveness is focused more about outsmarting the opponent or mark rather then actually exceptional agility, though he is quite agile, just not 89 in my books. My problem stems from two things basically, i don't like how he feels with 89 AGI in game, and i don't sense that he's really at that level of AGI, looking at ladders he's about correct in his relation to others in how he's rated.. but i don't look at ladders, i like to think about how it would perform in game, otherwise we should just cut out the P out of PSD.
Anyways, this is really just tentative thinking, i'm not trying to fight for this particular point, but just sharing my view on it.

I really like some aspects from Konami's set's in;

AGI: 87
DA: 97
ACC: 85

let me explain my support for lower acceleration, i never thought iniesta was very highly explosive, and he certainly didn't show such a high acceleration in his opportunities to showcase it, i find 85 acceleration much more fitting.

Example of ACC;

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LPA/LPS 85/84. I never understood people asking for white LPS for current Iniesta, because he's always been slightly LPS/LPA imo, capable of consistently putting good pace on the ball for his long passes, In this period he used his long passing effectively and incisively though really, an example of LPS/LPA he can do;

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There's plenty more examples from that video alone, but i'd like to reiterate that i'm running low on energy when i feel like i'm catering all the time. So you can just go look at Sjurinho's Iniesta Vids if you need more.

I also see no reason for not having higher attack, at this stage he had a probing, dangerously cutting mind that could pick out a dearth of options, and usually picked the most effective, dangerous pass. 88 as the Konami value is well representative of this i believe.

AGG should be higher too, he was constantly attacking not simply out of supporting movement, but goal-bound aggresion. Not by too much though, 78-80 on estimate, sometimes he was constantly attacking, sometimes he settled the tempo with the ball and sprayed passes around.

@Korinov, on high DS, I feel like the current 88 DS is more fitting, he took many long swift dribbling runs, but i never felt that they were pure velocity efforts on his part, but rather controlled speed, and the speed he exhibits, though sometimes truly warranting oranges, was more often then not, 88 DS. My meaning is not that he restricted himself, but that the majority of the time he didn't really show orange DS... unless you have some examples i haven't seen. Even then, i've watched quite a few iniesta vids now so consistency wise i feel that that in itself is another supporting point.

The summary of my thoughts:

ATT: 88
DA: 97
ACC: 85
LPA: 85
LPS: 84
AGG: 78-80

AGI: depending on feedback.
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 12, 06:46

There is no 07 set though? I really don't think his DS was all that much better than todays, just myths perpetuated by PSD about his past ds (me included).
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby vinnie » 2012 Sep 12, 06:49

oh. i thought there was :lol:

That's really weird actually... i thought it was 2007-2011, not 2009.

Well then, if anyone wants to make a 07-09 set then you have some opinions from me! :lol:
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Re: Andrés INIESTA | 2009-2011 & 2004-2006

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 12, 09:26

I do agree with vinnie's point that he was restraining himself most of the time, but when he actually went on full speed on the ball, he tended to leave defenders behind with relative ease. I do see him on orange DS. Dunno how to explain it exactly but watching footage of him from that period gives me the feeling he was one gear higher than what he is today in terms of dribbling speed.

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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013

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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013

Postby Fantasista » 2015 Jun 28, 00:34

Regarding early set... Never seen him playing as dm*, not to mention with his set of skills he would be one crappy dm.
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013

Postby Yazid » 2016 Feb 15, 23:13

I find it very surprising that classic Xavi has a higher attack value than Iniesta, who was clearly more dangerous offensively than Xavi in his prime imo.
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby Messias_24 » 2018 Mar 08, 05:28

you know i wouldnt be against prime iniesta having 99 da...
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby Alex » 2018 Mar 08, 09:13

Messias_24 wrote:you know i wouldnt be against prime iniesta having 99 da...

Roberto Baggio and Georgi Kinkladze have a slightly better DA then Andres Iniesta IMO.
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby Alex » 2019 Jan 17, 16:41

His first Champions League final. Came in at 1-0 for Arsenal. Decisive in Barca's victory. Don't think he missed a pass: https://youtu.be/obcZJPEbo3c.
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby vegitot » 2019 Sep 19, 11:32

Alex wrote:
Messias_24 wrote:you know i wouldnt be against prime iniesta having 99 da...

Roberto Baggio and Georgi Kinkladze have a slightly better DA then Andres Iniesta IMO.

i would say iniesta at his peak deserve 99 da as well. he is pretty much on par with messi, he just wasnt as fast as messi. it is literally impossible to take the ball from those two
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby vegitot » 2019 Nov 12, 10:31

just rewatch barcelona matches during iniesta era and look at his classic stats here,many thing are wrong.
87 attack doesnt do him justice. 90 fit him more,at his prime days he was truly a threat
then his passing,way too low here. 82 long pass at his peak? ridiculous. that makes him a mediocre passer while in fact he was one of fitness passer ever. long pass should be 94 at least in his peak
94 short pass? here we go again. should be 96 at least
98 dribble is fine
tech should be 97,he was as good as messi
his defence could be higher,he was quite good at pressing
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby Suji » 2019 Nov 12, 13:06

Where did his 15/16 set go?? It showed his evolution as a player perfectly. He had around 88-90 LPA and 96 SPA there.
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Re: Andrés Iniesta | 2004-2006 | 2009-2011 | 2011-2013 | 2014-2015

Postby vegitot » 2019 Nov 14, 03:07

Suji wrote:Where did his 15/16 set go?? It showed his evolution as a player perfectly. He had around 88-90 LPA and 96 SPA there.

iniesta 2015/2016 was incredible but do you think he was better than his peak from 08/09 to 12/13?
82 lpa for iniesta is stupid. his lpa deserved orange.

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