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Cristiano Ronaldo | 03-04 | 06-07 | 07-08 | 10-13 | 13-14 | 15-16 | 16-18

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Jul 07, 01:49

2003-2004

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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Ronaldo the Kid: not the smartest player, always diving and a crybaby but he already did those insane stepovers and you could see that was an unshaped diamond with a complete encyclopedia of trickery. - p1rha


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2006-2007

Club: Manchester United



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2007-2008

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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2010-2013

Club: Real Madrid


S13 - Step On Skills
S15 - Knuckle Shot
S17 - Scissor Kick

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2013-2014

Club: Real Madrid


S13 - Step On Skills
S15 - Knuckle Shot
S17 - Scissor Kick
S18 - Heel Flick

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2015-2016

Club: Real Madrid


S13 - Step On Skills
S15 - Knuckle Shot
S17 - Scissor Kick
S18 - Heel Flick

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2016-2018

Club: Real Madrid


S13 - Step On Skills
S15 - Knuckle Shot
S17 - Scissor Kick
S18 - Heel Flick

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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vinnie » 2013 Nov 13, 19:46

anyone have any thoughts?
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby Lockstar » 2013 Nov 13, 21:43

The Ronaldo that plays for Portugal is different in comparison with the one who plays for Real. And there is a reason for that... The quality that surrounds him.
I have seen with my eyes Ronaldo playing for Portugal (in the stadium) and he is was constantly marked. The RB always close to him, the winger tracked back and the DM - most of the times - was closing the passing lanes. That's the big problem - he has no service. Postiga is ridiculously awful :lol:

Besides this problem - lack of service and all-around quality - he plays much more as a creative winger, receiving the ball 40 yards away from goal. He's no longer as creative as he once was and can't dribble like in the past. Add to that Portugal is not very well coached - give the ball to Ronaldo, stay still, don't create a gap and let him save the world. His output was considerably better until Deco was no longer Deco.

Also, the 2008-09 season is probably the only season where he didn't improve or stayed at the same level of the prior season, but he improved in the last few months.
Keep in mind that Ronaldo played the 2007-08 season injured - since March, I think - and that's why his explosiveness was not the same. That injury really made him lose the agility he had.
Suarez is also playing in a poorer league.

He is not red in attack when he was with Man United, but with Real? Definately. :ugeek:
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vinnie » 2013 Nov 18, 19:15

another bump? more thoughts please people.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby adieet » 2013 Nov 18, 21:04

I think he's red DA.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby Sui Generis » 2013 Nov 21, 04:09

@ vinnie
I like the the set, its a def improvement from the original.

However Im still confused at how CR7 is now considered a 97 TS in 2006 :shock: .. I have been following these boards since his breakout season in 2008, and i remember seeing 88 TS and red acceleration. Even with standard changes i feel as if that stat is a bit dramatic. At man u he was notorious for Da, Brilliant agility, and ACC. I even remember these boards consistently criticizing him for his speed because he would often get closed down by defenders. He was not a pure sprinter back then and he would often resort to cut backs because defenders could catch him after he passed. And i dont remember him showcasing anywhere near that speed off the ball.

Once he arrived at madrid he really increased his speed, there needs to be a difference. Classic players are far too often given immense increases after their current day sets get updates. As much as i respect this player, i dont think he was ever worth a 97 TS, 95 ACC, 95 DA, 95 DS, 95 AGIL, in the same season :roll: . These stats make him one of the deadliest dribblers ever, like top 5, hell you could drop DA by 5 points and he'd still be in the top 10, because of his immense physical attributes. Dribbling wise CR7 got shut down by world class defenses far often, to be considered one of the most effective dribblers ever. Also HE IS THE WORST DIVE IN FOOTBALLING HISTORY. Probably more than half of his dribble are rendered incomplete due to dives (not exaggerating).

* He should really have white BB to replicate this.....

On a side note, when is current ronaldo going to get an update??? He has established him self as one of the highest goal scorers ever in league play and his shot is deadly now a days, he needs to be orange SA. His ATT should be higher too, he has 22 hatricks at madrid alone. The mans attacking sense is one of the best ever, he just constantly creates danger and can be completely of the whole game, and yet manages to score due to his ability to find a killer position.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby jurgens » 2013 Nov 21, 04:38

Ronaldo was faster back then. Just old PSD bullshit about how he became a "sprinter" after moving to madrid. Nonsense. A player doesn't just jump up 9 points in TS, especially in their 20's. They have it or don't. Ronaldo always had it, and lost some of it from excessive bulk. I don't know if hes a 97 for today or classic, but whatever value he has in either set shouldn't differ by anything more than a point or so.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vinnie » 2013 Nov 21, 08:42

updated the 2007-2008 set since discussion stagnated and nothing significant seemed to be pointed out.

@ adieet, he looks like a red very early into the season, but as it goes on his control gets sloppier, and really doesn't have that tight precision in difficult situation he previously had imo. i want to make the difference apparent for the seasonal overview.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby jurgens » 2013 Nov 21, 08:53

Cristiano scored 31 goals in the league that season.


That in itself is fucken incredible. Thats more than rvn/drogba/henry, hell, it's more goals in the league than 99% of strikers whoever played in the prem got.. and hes not even a striker. It all comes down to, do we rate attack based on independently from other stats? I believe so. It's the danger/potency posses in spite of their incredible stats or lack thereof. Though I don't like the idea suarez stats being so eclipsed by others, but he will be on red soon.. so

About the set... I'd agree with everything. Mostly seem him around those values from what I've seen/remember.

edit: i can't see him under red DS though.. it's something he still has today
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vinnie » 2013 Nov 21, 09:14

jurgens wrote:
Cristiano scored 31 goals in the league that season.


That in itself is fucken incredible. Thats more than rvn/drogba/henry, hell, it's more goals in the league than 99% of strikers whoever played in the prem got.. and hes not even a striker. It all comes down to, do we rate attack based on independently from other stats? I believe so. It's the danger/potency posses in spite of their incredible stats or lack thereof. Though I don't like the idea suarez stats being so eclipsed by others, but he will be on red soon.. so

About the set... I'd agree with everything. Mostly seem him around those values from what I've seen/remember.


i just can't help thinking of this guy's all around danger though. he's got the speed of henry. he's got the hops of drogba. and he's better at headering then either. he's aggressive as hell, has crazy shot power, free kick technique, and will shoot continuously. at this period he even still had elite dribbling ability and agility. that's an unreal package.

when i think of his danger in spite of his incredible stats or lack thereof, i'm not sure i'm so impressed. 1 goal for the nt that season. struggled against quality teams and lockdown fullbacks like cole. wasn't this uncontainable genius, he was a uncontainable BEAST. and i think the beast part is well communicated in this thread.
This current day ronaldo is alot smarter at using his runs and behaviour, and even compared to 08 ronaldo, blows his 08 numbers away with his current productions. he's got something like 66 goals on the year since 2013 began, 16 goals in 13 games, 8 goals in 4 games in the champions league so far (WTF?), 24 goals total so far in this season. That's unreal. how do you find a relativity between that attacking prowess and this 2007 version? one that is coherent? i have theories, but haven't sufficiently investigated him. i'll just say putting him on reds already not only makes me uncomfortable on the basis of what he actually did on the field, but also on the basis of how much better his numbers have become since that point, and how little room there is to really communicate this growth of dangerousness. Alot of the goals i witnessed from the vs vids were simple tap ins or headers. Nothing complicated, just ronaldo couldn't be matched for pace or for jump, and got the openings to poach. Like i said, with rooney, tevez, carrick and scholes sharing your load, dominating and racking tonnes of goals against fodder mid-to-relegation battle teams is not difficult imo.



and what's with the 19 goals the next season? What's with his usually subdued and very average NT goals productions?

i don't get that. i'm very wary of his att value being inflated.

shearer matches him at the record with 31 goals anyways as well.

i don't mind a red att, but i've certainly got my questions and conflicts about it. i don't think it's necessary.

edit: re ds: yeah that bothered me, but i just didn't see the overwhelming evidence for red ds? and my thought is, at this point he was still focused on tight control, and did try to exert influence or show prowess through individual dribbling. But he couldn't really dribble with tight control at red ds level, he didn't push himself to that level. It was there but he just tried to keep dribbling at close control, even though he couldn't really keep the ball at close control at the same insane speeds as before.

dunno just what i felt about it.

i don't mind red ds but i didn't really see the full justification for such a value from what i saw.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby Yazid » 2013 Nov 22, 22:55

Regarding the 2010-2012 set, I'm not convinced he warrants that 96 Attack either whilst we are discussing this.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vinnie » 2013 Nov 24, 08:29

more notes about 2007-2008 set.
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watched a couple more vids from 07-08. This focus was against top class opposition, or at least, teams with strong defences, to see how Ronaldo would attack. An asterix, possibly Arsenal of that time couldn't be considered a strong defensive team with a back line consisting of almunia, clichy, toure, gallas/senderos.

against arsenal at home, he seemed to do nothing of note other then scoring a penalty.
against liverpool, really seemed to do nothing significant other then one good cross at the 78th minute. there is even a very telling comment from the commentator at 3:18; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpTLHZXnPGY&t=3m18s
That's when they've looked the most dangerous, Manchester United, when they've got the ball down the left hand side rather on Ronaldo's.

He was shut down rather triumphantly by the liverpool defence. tevez and saha scored the goals and ronaldo had no part either goal. Had a couple really sloppy turnovers, and wasn't too effective in dribbling.

evidence of his TS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pip_bP-yfaA&t=5m02s

against chelsea he really had no penetrative influence, had no part in the single goal against chelsea, ashley cole jockeyed him well and could deal with Cristiano's pace. Ronaldo seemed to attack in this game by prancing towards cole doing stepovers until he ran out of courage and then passing five yards to the outside cornerflag for the overlapping fullback. He showed some pretty nice control in this game with his dribbling, but as usual couldn't really do anything with all his gifts, he didn't have the aura of dangerous behaviour, just the package of dangerous possibility through his skill. Whenever he dribbles Ive noticed he does nothing of real threat, he isn't good at cutting inside and looking at goal as his head is always down, he never looks for teammates (who are sometimes are in very good positions or have the timing for a through ball), and his shot is often contained to uncomfortable positions where he skews the shot wide or high.

arsenal away, better performance then when he played arsenal at home. scores a tap in goal on the end of a cross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn4H_en7t8c&t=5m11s

He does alot of party tricks, but his behaviour is not too interesting. he is exciting because of his speed, dribbling and powerful shot, so that he can do something that can't be matched if he's given the opening or somebody loses focus. he's not a mystery though. he'll drop back, do a little dribble, pass it back to his full back, or take the ball on the wing, do a couple stepovers and cross it or pass it to the overlapping fullback. his dribbles don't do much other then showoff that 'hey guys, i'm a good dribbler'. it's not dangerous, just very amusing and entertaining.

in fact i've noticed he's been most likely to threaten the goal when he finds open space in the more central parts of the field.

the only consistently impressive skill of ronaldo through the 3-4 vids i watched was his touch; his controlling was flawless, and he made difficult traps look easy, he didn't mess up any traps and took them all under control.

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i watched his goals comp of 2007/2008, and noted the circumstances of his 42 goals. Out of 42 goals......37 were: tap in, header, finish inside the box from loose ball, goals where he wasn't involved with build up, penalty or freekick. Winger my ass. all of his danger was in the box. he only scored 3 semi impressive cut in attacks to the goal, one against spurs, one against everton, and one against west ham. i would even argue some of those examples were more meriting of poor defending then dangerous attacking.

just compare these two season goals compilations.

this is ronaldo 2007/2008.

robben 2009/2010


oh, and also i need to correct myself. he only had 18 goals the next seaqson. How does that work? i really reckon it has alot to do with how many simply random tap ins he happened to profit from in the 07 08 season. he simply wasn't dangerous as a winger, and he was labelled a choker against big or strong teams just because he couldn't perform when he wasn't given space or gifted oppurtunities. And i would agree with that tag, nothing i saw from the games against arsenal chelsea or liverpool was really impressive. Even when he grabbed a goal against one of the top teams, it often tended to be either a header or a tap in. More focus should be around replicating his weird ability to grab goals in the box, even though he wasn't an insanely responsive player.

i also wonder if he really needs that SA i gave him in retrospect. he didn't seem to score ANY goals outside the box.


i've started studying ronaldo starting from the 2008-2009 season, and will possibly add a 2008-2010 set.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby Sui Generis » 2013 Dec 17, 06:05

Why isnt cristiano's current day set at least on par with his classic madrid era? There is no way Gareth bale should be above ronaldo in SA, its not right. Bale had one decent season and he gets orange SA!!! Ronaldo has had 5 seasons where he scored over 30 goals, soon to be 6.


At the very least can cristiano receive ATT 96 and SA 90 for his current set?
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby thehev » 2013 Dec 20, 18:04

the cristiano the 2006-2007 deserves his 97 dribbling, was the time he dribbled more
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby DarlanSM » 2014 Feb 08, 14:26

Could someone send me the set of CR7 while playing for Sporting? I need it very much :roll:
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby PanteraIFD » 2014 May 04, 14:28

Football is very simple: who has the ball attacks, who doesn't have defends.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby vonkomn » 2014 May 05, 03:01

I'm the only only that find that the TS and ACC gap between the 2003-2004 set and the 2006-2007 set too severe, I mean a gap of 3 point in the oranges and red number seem to high and I find unlikely that any player could become so much faster in such a short period.

If I'm not mistaken that is the only time in all the classic players sets that a player become faster with age.
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby furymaker » 2014 May 05, 12:20

I think his DS and DA were better than today , in Madrid days he was faster with ball and he could control the ball much better in higher speed than he can today , that video shows it .
He's improved in most technical aspects of his game since United ( like header , SA , passing , ST ) . I think he was better back then at free kicks , but I have no real stats to back that up.
I think in his 2007-2008 set his DA and DS should be better than in current set , no way he's faster in terms of DS today than he was back then . Also his DA at higher speed was better back then but today I think he's more efficient dribbler at lower speeds .
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Re: Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-1

Postby Fantasista » 2014 May 06, 11:27

As for all his MaNU sets speed stats I'd just like to point out that in EURO 2004 he was outpaced by Overmars with ease (who was 31 and after numerous injuries, still classy but past his prime, physicaly in particular). Also couldn't get an inch of space in run vs Rosicky while according to their stats (CR red ts, acc, ds; Rosicky low-mid yellow ts&acc) he should have left him in dust.



In general until he joined Madrid he wasn't showing extremely high speed off the ball besides rare instances like vs Arsenal. Such a runs became a true part of his playstyle and strong weapon in Spain, when he fully develloped physically, become faster, stronger, more endurant while loosing some of his nimbleness and unexpectivity with the ball.


Unsuprisingly (at least for me) this run was made in 2008/09 season, not in 2006/07 while stats suggests it is supposed to be the season in which he was ultimately the fastest in his life.
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