Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006


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Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 22:48

1997 - 2000

Club: Real Madrid



2002 - 2006

Club: Real Madrid




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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Ca ... tballer%29

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Ca ... bolista%29

http://www.robertocarlos.com.br/site/

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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby jurgens » 2013 Apr 16, 18:51

Damned editor still isn't fixed. I was gonna give him an overhaul without suggesting anything, but I'll leave one here as it's debatable, not to me though. He is definitely at least 98 SP. Theres no one I've ever seen that can generate so much power from so little a movement, he can just take a shot at the drop of a hat and put in some insane power. Ignore his goals or freekicks.. these never show the full story. Normal shots he took were insanely hard, you can see some in the vs matches of him on youtube. 96 is criminaly under-rated... puts him so close to cr7. I guarantee if you find the two hardest shots of both of these on youtube, and compare the two... you will say carlos needs to be at least 3 points higher.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Roy » 2013 Apr 16, 19:18

jurgens wrote:Damned editor still isn't fixed. I was gonna give him an overhaul without suggesting anything, but I'll leave one here as it's debatable, not to me though. He is definitely at least 98 SP. Theres no one I've ever seen that can generate so much power from so little a movement, he can just take a shot at the drop of a hat and put in some insane power. Ignore his goals or freekicks.. these never show the full story. Normal shots he took were insanely hard, you can see some in the vs matches of him on youtube. 96 is criminaly under-rated... puts him so close to cr7. I guarantee if you find the two hardest shots of both of these on youtube, and compare the two... you will say carlos needs to be at least 3 points higher.


I'd love to see your sets, maybe you can post the W.I.P's here?

And about "shooting with little movement", isn't that more ST related?
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 16, 19:19

jurgens wrote:Damned editor still isn't fixed. I was gonna give him an overhaul without suggesting anything, but I'll leave one here as it's debatable, not to me though. He is definitely at least 98 SP. Theres no one I've ever seen that can generate so much power from so little a movement, he can just take a shot at the drop of a hat and put in some insane power. Ignore his goals or freekicks.. these never show the full story. Normal shots he took were insanely hard, you can see some in the vs matches of him on youtube. 96 is criminaly under-rated... puts him so close to cr7. I guarantee if you find the two hardest shots of both of these on youtube, and compare the two... you will say carlos needs to be at least 3 points higher.


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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby bitz » 2013 Apr 16, 20:39

Always thought the same about his SP, never understood why people valued his curl above it. Actually can't think anybody with a harder shot in odern football.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Roy » 2013 Apr 16, 20:42

bitz wrote:Always thought the same about his SP, never understood why people valued his curl above it. Actually can't think anybody with a harder shot in modern football.


Adriano 8-)
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 17, 18:16

LeMisérable wrote:Adriano 8-)

Equal at best

bitz wrote:Always thought the same about his SP, never understood why people valued his curl above it. Actually can't think anybody with a harder shot in modern football.

Check out some previous pages and maybe you'll understand why (pay attention on Albos and Korinovs posts). There's a logic behind it even though I disagree with it just like you do.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby lrag » 2013 Apr 17, 19:29

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCgi5rG9WuQ , for 18-22 mts fk Roberto Carlos used full power and less curve, but on long FK it was a mix (50-50) of power and curve and remenber that you never can hit the ball in FK with the max power in PES cause you will send it to the sky . To replicate his shots in a realistic way specially at ground level you need 99 SP imo
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby jurgens » 2013 Apr 17, 19:39

for 18-22 mts fk Roberto Carlos used full power and less curve,


He did not use anywhere near full power up close, he used a lot, but he was really trying to place it in the bottom corner. I've talked about this in the past, you can't use anywhere near your potential while purposefully trying to keep the ball grounded. His freekicks make him look weak, it's not a way to judge his SP.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby lrag » 2013 Apr 17, 21:18

I have read in the AS website : as.com an article " Misiles a 103 km/hora" . They say his shots had an average of 106-115 km/h . also say that the average of a professional footballer (no search of accuracy) is between 87.4 km/h and 95.76 km/h , there are a lot of videos of "awesome goal at 230 KM/H" but usually is a lucky shot and you don't know how was calculated the power , average can be a correct way to judge his SP ?
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 19, 11:47

Average definetely not, especially when it comes to strikers (not this case but NVM). I see your point about this lucky shots but hey if it's one or only a few truly powerful shots through entire career it says nothing. While R.Carlos was making constantly bullet a like shots on level that only a couple players could match with similar consistency (e.g. Adriano, Kolodin although I believe he was the best ever in that department).

PS. Getting back to Le Miserables sugg about agility I'd rather consider lowering it for his late set. He lost a lot of it with age and become vulnerable to smart, nible, good dribbling wingers.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby pcrooce » 2013 Apr 22, 23:58

What the hell? Who updated this?

94 ATT?
99 TW?!
91 MENT?

Really.. This is a prank or something right?
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2002 | 2003-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 23, 05:24

Pablinsky wrote:What the hell? Who updated this?

94 ATT?
99 TW?!
91 MENT?

Really.. This is a prank or something right?


I am sure it's just a bug. There have been some technical problems with classic section recently but for further info ask classic mod :)
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby jurgens » 2013 Apr 24, 22:06

Okay, updated. The editor works, but the display is bugged on the forums still, the real stats are on the main page of the site.

A lot of the values are just konamis, that I can confirm they were the minimal he deserves. His SPA was under-rated. We always under-rate sidebacks in spa.. he could pass the ball like a midfielder, no problem with difficult passes at all. Not incisive, but a very capable passer, 78 is the least he deserves. Konamis 86 SPS is right too, he could send passes from deep right into the CF's feet, didn't use it all the time obviously. Also, his cut back passes could be really drilled in low, very fast, 86 sps is well deserved, maybe even higher.

His tech was outstanding, pretty positive on him being on 90 ish mark. Attack; his attacking intelligence was always high, people who rarely saw him will tell you that he was all physique. But thats bullshit. It's not like he a genius in attack, but he was very capable on and off the ball, was great at picking the right time to make an overlapping run, his dribbling was minimal, but he was smart in what he choose to do.. pretty much always played for the team in every area.. except for his shooting of course. His passing and vision was solid. He was always providing a supportive outlet and he was pretty fond of launching pin point pass from his own half, very capable in every area. I'm not sure on his earlier era's def... but hes around the 70 for his later era. He was basically the same player throughout, he just lost some speed.. gained some mass and became more defensively astute. At one point in his career he did deserve a red TS, but he did lose that. And we can't have him with such a godly TS for such a big era, so I've reduced it. The era isn't exact.. so might need some changes.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby Fantasista » 2013 May 06, 09:54

I really like the set much more than the previous one although I still have some doubts. IMO his crossing weren't on that level of preciseness to give him 85 lpa. They were mostly based on power (I'd seriously consider higher lps). I'm not saying he wasn't passing accurately, just not that accurately ;).

Also I think 96ts is too much; 95 that was proposed many times and accepted by most would be perfect. I just can't see him on the same level as Henry, Martins, Eto'o. Especially that you said
jurgens wrote:At one point in his career he did deserve a red TS, but he did lose that


And tech... Even years after his prime he has been still brilliant at it. I guess just nobody had enough courage to suggest orange tech for sideback, particularly one that's famous of his physical attributes.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby L10Messi » 2013 Aug 18, 09:53

My opinion:
Encompassing both sets (97-00,02-06), do not see much difference in power and effect in your shots, so ...
With this video and a few others I can deduce:
Shot Power :96-97 very powerful shot, most have seen, there can be at 99, the danger resided not in firepower but the following ...
EFFECT: 98, I am convinced that was what more to harm. Besides the famous goal against France, cas could always be seen that during the trajectory of the ball was producing devilish curves, which almost always confounded and descolocaba goalkeeper, cheating.
90 ball control???
Being not lateral, but it was the same level as the current
Snejder, Fabregas, Hazard, Modric Robben, etc
and clasicos as Bebeto, Giggs, Hassler,
And jump must be at least orange, has triumphed over tall players, I have seen the case of Koller, also once widely exceeded Zebina (1,85) in CL 2004/05.
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby Jon Osterman » 2016 Oct 05, 20:03

We could swap Éder's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eVcODghNg); (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9KMhX4lzo) and Roberto's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWi_MnmNjhs) shot power. Seems a bit ilogical to me, so far. Adriano (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSvKhGoOpM), who also sits at 98 appears to be inferior to Roberto...
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby lrag » 2017 Nov 05, 15:46

imo if someone deserves 99 SP it´s Roberto Carlos, i don´t think Eder it's above him in this aspect : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18vEv6wYD-o
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Re: Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby bruno bronze » 2019 Apr 08, 19:12

When it comes to pure shot power, I don't see him having 99. Roberto's shots were insane to look at due to the combo of his immense SP and his Speed.

However, if we take a look at the Fk's, in the game we can't shoot them the way he did (no long run to increase power), so, maybe to represent better his crazy shots, 99 SP could be needed.
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