MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003


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MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Jul 09, 22:41

Club: Palmeiras



Growth Type: Late Peak

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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2009 Dec 11, 01:55

great set of stats.

but i have some opinions:

ATT: There is no reason to 35, he was a normal keeper, so 30.
TS/ACC: Kahn was 68/68 in 2001/2002, Baia was 73/73. so imo he could be 71/71-72.
RESPONSE: His best asset on his prime, sure better than Baia, who is 91. Sure not same as Kahn (97), but could be on medium orange, i suggest some like 92-93.
AGI: he was really agile, i suggest same as Kahn here, so 80.
DA/DS: overrated, he never was good with his foots, he said it. -4 in each. 50/52
SP: his shots isn't this poor, Seaman have 81. So he could be same as him.
SA/ST: overrated here too, why this high? he never took a penalty, or a FK. Some like 44/46 would be some appropriated ;)
HEADER: same as above.
Jump: Kahn is -5cm than him and have 88. His jump was great, i always will remeber this saves. So i suggest some like 82-83.
KS: Sure same as Kahn, or max -1. 92-93.
TW: he most underrated stat, he was and is very talkative, and when he plays the team "grown". At least same as Baia (87).

So summaring my suggestions:
ATT: 30
TS/ACC: 71/71~72
RES: 92~93
DA/DS: 50/52
AGI: 80
SP: 81
SA/ST: 44/46
HEA: 44
Jump: 82~83
KS: 92~93
TW: 87
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 12, 02:20

Thanx for the coments ;) I think u might have gone a bit overboard though, with all those raises in GK-related stats he would probably be the second best brazilian keeper ever, no?
I remember he was one of the world cup best keepers, he did stand out in that tournament and he's a living legend for Palmeiras, but was he truly among the very best keepers of his time?
U didn't said anything about defense so i supose u think it's right but i'm curious about what kind of mistakes he usually did... Positioning mistakes, lack of concentration, bad handling... he must have had some area were he was not so good.
Anyway, regarding ur sugestions here's what i think:

ATT: ok.

TS/ACC: No, Baía was lighter therefore faster. If u compare him to Cech (64/67) u'll agree it ain't bad.

RESPONSE: I think ur right, i can't understand how i overlooked that.

AGI: This guy is not only taller than Kahn but he also doesn't seem so agile. Kahn was really agile for a guy so heavy.

DA/DS; SP; SA/ST; HEADER: I'm going to update that. I only have some doubts abouthis SP as his goal kicks don't seem that strong.

Jump: I couldn't see any great jump in those videos, and remember this is a tall guy (1,93) even for a keeper. There's guys like Van der Saar at 76... Buffon is at 87, Cech at 85... i think it can go up a bit

KS: C'mon ... same as Kahn... Marcos didn't grabed one ball! In fact i think i'm going to decrease it.

TW: Thanks for pointing that out, but i think 87 is off the chart, u might want to check some contemporanean ladder ;)
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2009 Dec 12, 03:17

hell thanks about it m8, but really imo he was the best brazilian keeper ever, best than Gilmar, Leão sure. Maybe not Taffarel, but if he is not the best, he is the second.
And he was one of the best keepers, he never played on Europe, but it dont seems he was not a top player. Example, in WC2002, he was the second best keeper, only behind kahn. and we have lots of great keepers in this WC.

about KS, im sure he is better than 90. Current Cech in on 90. Marcos was fairly better in carring a ball than Cech. so at least 91-92 imo.

About what is his weak point, on this time, nothing specially, in 2002 he just commited few mistakes, he started a bad phase in 2005-2006. When he broke his arm and this things. And i dont suggest nothing because imo its ok, but could even go to 89-90. His positioning isn't that great, most of his defences are based on reflexes, jump and KS.

about AGI, ok he is taller, but because of this he will be less agile than him with same number, and if u see some of his videos from 2002, he is same agile as kahn, or at least -1.

about TS/ACC i could accept it, i didn't saw Cech when i suggest it ;)

about jump, Cech is 85, so i cannot see Marcos on his best at 80. I think 83 is the best opition ;)

and about TW, im just comparing it. If baia deserve it, sure Marcos deserve it too.
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby Lucas » 2010 Aug 22, 00:55

you could use this image from him
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby beiderbecke » 2011 Feb 28, 01:44

Leão (87), Manga (87), Gilmar (88)... all of them inferior to Marcos in goalkeeping skills? I don't think so, inasmuch as Gilmar is the best goalkeeper that Brazilian football ever produced. I recommend to lessen KS to 88 at most and raise his agility to 78 (two points lower than classic Dida and 4 points lower than Kahn). The Response ability should be increased too, since he was a great penalty defender, comparable to Taffarel and Dida - who possess 97 and 96 in response value respectively. Marcos deserves a 96 value in response in my opinion. Every outstanding penalty saver has a superb response value. Julio Cesar has 98 (!).

Thus:
--Defence - 91 (His positioning was excellent. He always seemed to be at the right place and at the right time, so I agree with this value. This grants to him one of the best positionings among the Brazilian goalkeepers (Gilmar = 94, Manga = 92 and classic Júlio César = 91).
--BB: Agreed
--Agility: 78. In spite of being huge in stature, he could managed to be not so indolent.
-- Response: 96.
--Shot power: Why 78? Big keepers have strength. Dida (86), Manga (87), Julio Cesar (85) and Kahn (90) allow me to ponder that Marcos should deserve something like 86.
--Jump: In spite of his good stature, he was not a great jumper at all, so I agree with your thought of 83.
--Keeping Skills: As I already explained, for a reason of standardization, he can't display such a high value like that because this would turn him the better gifted Brazilian goalkeeper ever. A 88 value is fair enough for Marcos.
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby Rogatto27 » 2011 Apr 27, 00:02

I think the Era could be 1999-2002. It was the best period in his carrer because he won the Libertadores Cup of 1999 being the best player of the tournament and he was one of the best goalkeepers in 2002 FIFA World Cup.

Awards of the period:
Libertadores Cup: 1999
Tournament Rio – São Paulo: 2000
Brazilian Champions Cup: 2000

FIFA World Cup: 2002
Copa América: 1999

Best Goalkeeper of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Best Player of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Revelation of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Best Player in the Final of the Libertadores Cup of America: 1999
Best Goalkeeper of the Paulista Championship: 1999
4th Best Goalkeeper in the World: 2002 (IFFHS)
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby martins7 » 2015 Jun 27, 03:25

Rogatto27 wrote:I think the Era could be 1999-2002. It was the best period in his carrer because he won the Libertadores Cup of 1999 being the best player of the tournament and he was one of the best goalkeepers in 2002 FIFA World Cup.

Awards of the period:
Libertadores Cup: 1999
Tournament Rio – São Paulo: 2000
Brazilian Champions Cup: 2000

FIFA World Cup: 2002
Copa América: 1999

Best Goalkeeper of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Best Player of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Revelation of the Libertadores Cup: 1999
Best Player in the Final of the Libertadores Cup of America: 1999
Best Goalkeeper of the Paulista Championship: 1999
4th Best Goalkeeper in the World: 2002 (IFFHS)



Agree. He needs a increase in his stats, easily top 3 best brazilian gk ever.
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby PanteraIFD » 2015 Jun 27, 16:22

Marcos is easily one of the five best goalkeepers in the Brazilian football, during his prime he put in the bank likes of Dida and Rogerio Ceni. Apart from being a legend in Palmeiras and have won all possible titles with the club and national team. I think the set needs some changes, especially on the technical side, where he was never very good. Among the posts Marcos was definitely an exceptional goalkeeper and very good on penalties, but with the ball at his feet he did not provide much confidence to the fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVNVVRXSD0 - All saves in Libertadores 1999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0l110kx_w - Marcelinho's penalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJYxB_MrJys - Brazil vs Belgium (man of the match)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWpiTdMZh94 - Two saves vs Germany (WC Final)
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Re: MARCOS Roberto Silveira Reis | 2002-2003

Postby martins7 » 2015 Jul 08, 04:47

PanteraIFD wrote:Marcos is easily one of the five best goalkeepers in the Brazilian football, during his prime he put in the bank likes of Dida and Rogerio Ceni. Apart from being a legend in Palmeiras and have won all possible titles with the club and national team. I think the set needs some changes, especially on the technical side, where he was never very good. Among the posts Marcos was definitely an exceptional goalkeeper and very good on penalties, but with the ball at his feet he did not provide much confidence to the fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVNVVRXSD0 - All saves in Libertadores 1999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0l110kx_w - Marcelinho's penalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJYxB_MrJys - Brazil vs Belgium (man of the match)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWpiTdMZh94 - Two saves vs Germany (WC Final)


Exactly, for while I will do superficial suggestions ... he is too bad with the ball at his feet and surely he deserves RES in the red zone and higher DEF and KS but I don't think that was at the same era.
Two sets would be better for him (1999-2001 and 2002-2008 ) beacuse he was more agile and better RES in 1999-2001 and improved a bit his DEF and KS in 2002-2008.
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