Ryan Giggs | 1993-94 | 1996-99 | 2006-09

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Ryan Giggs | 1993-94 | 1996-99 | 2006-09

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 23:20

Nickname: *The Welsh Wizard*

Club: Manchester United


Growth Type: Early/Lasting

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Club: Manchester United


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Club: Manchester United


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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby midivial » 2010 Jul 01, 11:48

I have nothing against Giggs but these stats makes him as good as Messi if not better , I suggest a makeover.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jul 01, 16:18

midivial wrote:I suggest a makeover.


Bit harsh, I don't think he's that ugly.

Shall we get some you know.. Suggestions going, top speed and shooting stats look a bit too high for my liking for starters. Agility, Dribb acc and DS and tech could be tweaked by 1 or 2 points as well.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby JMVP » 2010 Jul 01, 23:01

i hope you don't mind me posting this, if you do say so or feel free to remove the post. His 95/95 for speed is so far off, he was damn fast with the ball, not a superb athlete like Weah or Cannigia. These are my stats for Giggs at 98/99 United. I haven't given him the Speed Merchant card, but i reckon i should.


Attack: 85
Defence: 44
Balance: 76
Stamina: 84
Top Speed: 88
Acceleration: 92
Response: 82
Agility: 95
Dribble Accuracy: 94
Dribble Speed: 98
Short Pass Accuracy: 80
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 83
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 81
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 81
Curling: 86
Header: 70
Jump: 78
Technique: 90
Aggression: 88
Mentality: 78
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 76

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

S06 - Outside curve
S14 - Quick Turn
S15 - Marseille Roulette
P07 - Mazing Run


probably attack is too high for PSDB standarts and mentality too low, what do you think about the rest?
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jul 03, 19:14

They look better. I agree that Attack is overdone :P He was a pure winger and his attacking intelligence wasn't that close with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo who are far better at being pure forwards than Giggs. 81/82 at the most imo. Despite being force going forward he was Always tracking back, taking the ball of of players, always working his socks off so mentality in the first post suits him.

He was definitely faster on the ball than off it where he wasn't quite at the same level as Cannigia or someone like you said, but id rate him faster than what you have given him. id compare him with Robben actually, similar burst but he but Robben might be a quicker when he reaches full pace. God like figures suit a younger Giggs where his speed was absolutely devastating, shown on the video I posted on the last page however he lost that burst slightly due to a couple of hamstring injuries here and there.

I think that he was pretty inconsistent finishing wise, he was capable of some deadly shots from hard angles, but I wouldn't rate his placement above Robben on 79 although I think his Shot acc is underrated, I'm not sure that he consistently hit shots as powerfully as 85 either.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jul 04, 20:44

Any more input from anybody or I'll update him 8-)
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby JMVP » 2010 Jul 04, 22:48

Brezza wrote:They look better. I agree that Attack is overdone :P He was a pure winger and his attacking intelligence wasn't that close with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo who are far better at being pure forwards than Giggs. 81/82 at the most imo. Despite being force going forward he was Always tracking back, taking the ball of of players, always working his socks off so mentality in the first post suits him.

He was definitely faster on the ball than off it where he wasn't quite at the same level as Cannigia or someone like you said, but id rate him faster than what you have given him. id compare him with Robben actually, similar burst but he but Robben might be a quicker when he reaches full pace. God like figures suit a younger Giggs where his speed was absolutely devastating, shown on the video I posted on the last page however he lost that burst slightly due to a couple of hamstring injuries here and there.

I think that he was pretty inconsistent finishing wise, he was capable of some deadly shots from hard angles, but I wouldn't rate his placement above Robben on 79 although I think his Shot acc is underrated, I'm not sure that he consistently hit shots as powerfully as 85 either.


I knew you wouldn't agree with his attack and mentality value, i've got different standards than the ones used here at PSDB for those stats.

About you comparison with Robben, Giggs had a better burst, worst top speed, and maybe worst control over the ball but better agility? I've given him a 98 for DS, he won't need a great off the ball speed to have devastating pace, so i would disagree with Giggs having the same TS value than Robben. About the shooting stats i actually agree with you, maybe i overated him a bit there.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jul 05, 17:02

Updated with suggestions from JMVP and some tweaks by me:

Balance: 80>78; Top Speed 95>90; Acceleration: 95>93; Agility: 96>95; Short Pass Accuracy: 76 > 80; Short Pass Speed: 77 > 78; Long Pass Accuracy: 81> 83; Long Pass Speed 84 > 81; Shot Accuracy: 82> 79; Shot Power: 85> 84; Shot Technique: 84> 83 ; Jump: 77>78; Technique: 92>90

Removed S01: Reaction added S15: Marseille Roulette
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jul 06, 15:03

Changed my mind about Dribble Speed He seemed a bit too explosive on the ball when testing him especially with his agility figure . 97 was good enough on par with Messi
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Jez » 2010 Sep 23, 15:43

Did you change Shot Technique back to 84? Or did you forget to update it to 83?
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby rgm91 » 2011 May 21, 12:22

how about 2008-09 giggs when he was awarded PFA Player of the Year
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Jez » 2011 May 21, 17:05

I think most people accept that it was awarded to him more because he'd never won it before than on merit. Besides, the stats wouldn't be too dissimilar to the current set now ;)
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby BigStu » 2011 May 21, 17:06

well they would because imo he is underated now, and he was miles better back then ;)
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Jez » 2011 May 21, 17:37

He was miles better two years ago? If anything he's getting better with age!
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby BigStu » 2011 May 21, 17:54

No, just your starting to appreciate him more, back then you had Hargreaves, Ronaldo and others to cum over and giggs was the unsung hero, since then the team is weaker so he stands out more
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Jez » 2011 May 21, 18:07

I appreciated him as much then as I do now. The game against your lot at Old Trafford where he ruled the Centre of the field, one of the best games he's ever played ;) My point is that I don't really think he's changed. The only difference is that he seems to be being played out-wide more this season. I mean yeah, he's going to be ever so slightly different. But nothing worth making a set for really I don't think. Doesn't bother me though, if you wanna do one feel free ;)
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby rgm91 » 2011 May 22, 18:15

Jez wrote:I think most people accept that it was awarded to him more because he'd never won it before than on merit. Besides, the stats wouldn't be too dissimilar to the current set now ;)


I know they wouldn't be much different from these current stats, but they will be quit different from his other prime era's. For instance his passing game has gotten much better in the last years of his career, where in the beginning he was more of a winger type player and in the last few years he became more of an allround midfielder. And I thought it would be good if his 08-09 era would be made because he will probably retire next year or this year (I don't really know actually I'm just guessing) so there should be a 2008-20... -giggs made anyway. Better if that era is made soon when the memories are still fresh :P
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Dec 12, 14:22

Both sets needs a review IMO. And I think a set from his 30s(2006-09 or sth like that) is needed.
But for now I really insist to lower his da and ds(maybe agility by 1 also). He wasn't as quick on the ball as prime Kaka or Messi in 2008. Values that are currentely given for 2007/08 CR7(when he'll be updated for sake!), a mean da:93 and ds:96 are better for Giggs than current one. I remember him as a great crosser and this set doesn't reflect that.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby jurgens » 2011 Dec 12, 17:45

I'd like to hear JMVP's thoughts on the set, if hes made any changes since originally posting the set.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby JMVP » 2011 Dec 12, 21:13

Haven't used the set, but i think his technique and ST can both come down a couple points. Mentality can be raised ever so slightly. As for the rest i still think they are quite right.
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Re: Ryan GIGGS | 1998-1999 & 1993-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Dec 13, 15:02

I can agree to that as well as a 1-point drop is DA and DS

Fantasista wrote: I remember him as a great crosser and this set doesn't reflect that.


He was good but an inconsistent crosser, much like Nani nowadays. His passing overall improved later into his career. I'll try to post up a later set in a bit, although it wouldn't look much different from his present day set.

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