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Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 19:17

- 1961-1965:

Nickname: *The King of Football* (*O Rei do Futebol*) | *The King Pelé* (*O Rei Pelé*) | *The King* (*O Rei*)

Club: Santos



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- 1969-1970:

Nickname: *The King of Football* (*O Rei do Futebol*) | *The King Pelé* (*O Rei Pelé*) | *The King* (*O Rei*)

Club: Santos



Growth type: Early/Lasting


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Edson Arantesdo Nascimento “Pele” is widely regarded as the greatest football in history of the game. Pelé began playing for Santos at 15 and his national team at 16, and won his first World Cup at 17. Despite numerous offers from European clubs, the economic conditions and Brazilian football regulations at the time benefited Santos, thus enabling them to keep him for almost two decades. Pelé played as an inside forward, striker, and what later became known as the playmaker position. Pelé's technique and natural athleticism have been universally praised and during his playing years he was renowned for his excellent dribbling and passing, his pace, powerful shot, exceptional heading ability, and prolific goalscoring. His explosive first step and feinting abilities gave defender nightmares, and his football imagination was equal to his impressive finishing skills. He is the all-time leading scorer of Brazil and is the only footballer to be a part of three World Cup-winning teams. In 1962 he was on the Brazilian squad at the start of the World Cup but because of an injury suffered in the second match, he wasn't able to play the remainder of the tournament. In 2007 FIFA announced that he would be awarded the 1962 medal retroactively. His career goals total of 1,280 in 1,324 games is secondly all-time record to Arthur Friedenriech.


HONOURS:

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Club
Santos:
Campeonato Paulista: 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969 and 1973
Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 1959, 1963 and 1964
Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa (Taça de Prata): 1968
Taça Brasil: 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1965
Copa Libertadores: 1962 and 1963
Intercontinental Cup: 1962 and 1963
South-American Recopa: 1968
New York Cosmos :
NASL Champions: 1977

Country
FIFA World Cup: 1958, 1962, 1970
Roca Cup: 1957, 1963
Copa O'Higgins: 1959
Copa Atlãntica: 1960

Individual
1958 FIFA World Cup Silver Ball
1970 FIFA World Cup Golden Ball
2 Times FIFA World Cup All Star Team (1958, 1970)
1970 BBC Sport Oversea Personality of The Year
1973 South American Footballer of The Year
1981 L’ Equipe Athlete of The Century
1994 France Football World Cup Best Player of All-Time
1994 FIFA World Cup All-Time Team
1997 Knight Commander of British Empire
1998 FIFA World Team of The Century
1999 Olympic Committee Athlete of The Century
1999 Reuters Athlete of The Century
1999 UNICEF Footballer Player of The Century
1999 France Football’s Football Player of The Century
1999 South American Player of The Century
1999 IFFHS Brazil Player of The Century
1999 IFFHS World Player of The Century
1999 World Soccer Greatest Player of The Century
2000 FIFA Player of The Century
2002 FIFA Dream Team
2005 BBC Sport Personality of The Year Lifetime Achievement Awards
Brazil All-Time Top Scorer
Brazil Football Museum Hall of Fame



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http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=63869/index.html

http://www.latinosportslegends.com/Pele_bio.htm

http://www.360soccer.com/pele/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9



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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Brezza » 2017 Sep 01, 12:38

I'd like more discussion around the 99 attack before I update it as well ( Gerd Muller should still probably be the ladder leader here) but two superb posts and i'd like to see your thoughts regarding a 58 set as well . Keep it up :)
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby lrag » 2017 Sep 01, 13:57

since Attack is rated based on the danger created by the player imo Pele deserves 99 ATK , it is an interesting topic what other player deserves 99, maybe 1997-1999 Ronaldo the phenomenon ? about Gerd remember he is rated 99 in Atk, Aggression, and response no one else in the data base has that combo
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Jon Osterman » 2017 Sep 01, 16:43

Brezza wrote:I'd like more discussion around the 99 attack before I update it as well ( Gerd Muller should still probably be the ladder leader here) but two superb posts and i'd like to see your thoughts regarding a 58 set as well . Keep it up :)


I would like to see a 99 Attack because Pelé was able to bring up a immense amount of danger in every possible way you can think off, shooting or passing, and his statistics are outstanding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9_statistics
http://www.football-history.net/who-is-who/p/pele.htm
http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html#pele

Maybe the numbers change here and there, but the general idea is that the man scored a otherworldly amount of goals. I only came across this idea yesterday, watching some other matches, and i regreted not having suggested on my posts: maybe you want to give the first set 98 ATT to balance his gigantic numbers for scoring stats, but for the same idea of balance, i would raise to 99 in the second set; he will struggle more because he's decreased in some areas, but still able to come up with insane opportunities both for him and his teammates. I think i said that once, in an older post: in 1970, he was not as accurate passer as Messi, nor the same shooter as Gerd Muller, but how come the man still was able come with similar danger? The only answer for me is to think he is superior to everyone else above him with his decision making, his sharp wits and his superb vision of the game. I think that's where we apply the Attack, probably. For sure Der Bomber is a must at the top of ladder, being the ultimate poacher, but Pelé could stand right next to him, being the ultimate striker, being able to do a little bit of everything with grace and power.

Other thing i would like to ask you is to take a look at his header ability. I got the slight impression that his heading is a bit underrated, but you will probably come across the ideal number with your sharper eyes. If anything, i would suggest 89 in both sets for Header. Anyway, thanks for taking a look at the posts! I will come by with some suggestions soon, but i gotta tell you, i'm very impressed with the teenager Pelé. I'm afraid of overrating him, because he doesn't play like a young boy, learning slowly about professional football. It's impressive really! :) :)

P.S.: By the way, i was thinking about a little joke in the set. Di Stéfano has 60 GKS, probably because of some story about his prowess in the goal, but Pelé also has a legend about that: http://www.football-history.net/blog/pe ... keeper.htm. And actually a bit more notorious to me as i was growing up. So, just for fun, it would be cool to see him with a 60 GKS, even if probably nobody will ever put him on goal when playing!
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Jon Osterman » 2017 Sep 02, 01:04

Jon Osterman wrote:
Brezza wrote:I'd like more discussion around the 99 attack before I update it as well ( Gerd Muller should still probably be the ladder leader here) but two superb posts and i'd like to see your thoughts regarding a 58 set as well . Keep it up :)


I would like to see a 99 Attack because Pelé was able to bring up a immense amount of danger in every possible way you can think off, shooting or passing, and his statistics are outstanding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9_statistics
http://www.football-history.net/who-is-who/p/pele.htm
http://www.rsssf.com/players/prolific.html#pele

Maybe the numbers change here and there, but the general idea is that the man scored a otherworldly amount of goals. I only came across this idea yesterday, watching some other matches, and i regreted not having suggested on my posts: maybe you want to give the first set 98 ATT to balance his gigantic numbers for scoring stats, but for the same idea of balance, i would raise to 99 in the second set; he will struggle more because he's decreased in some areas, but still able to come up with insane opportunities both for him and his teammates. I think i said that once, in an older post: in 1970, he was not as accurate passer as Messi, nor the same shooter as Gerd Muller, but how come the man still was able come with similar danger? The only answer for me is to think he is superior to everyone else above him with his decision making, his sharp wits and his superb vision of the game. I think that's where we apply the Attack, probably. For sure Der Bomber is a must at the top of ladder, being the ultimate poacher, but Pelé could stand right next to him, being the ultimate striker, being able to do a little bit of everything with grace and power.

Anyway, thanks for taking a look at the posts! I will come by with some suggestions soon, but i gotta tell you, i'm very impressed with the teenager Pelé. I'm afraid of overrating him, because he doesn't play like a young boy, learning slowly about professional football. It's impressive really! :) :)

P.S.: By the way, i was thinking about a little joke in the set. Di Stéfano has 60 GKS, probably because of some story about his prowess in the goal, but Pelé also has a legend about that: http://www.football-history.net/blog/pe ... keeper.htm. And actually a bit more notorious to me as i was growing up. So, just for fun, it would be cool to see him with a 60 GKS, even if probably nobody will ever put him on goal when playing!
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Turambur » 2017 Sep 17, 23:49

Pele vs France (WC 1958)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eascV1S6bQE

Pele vs Sweden (WC 1958) :shock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exZqMY1CUQ

Pele vs England (1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePAp8NnLkCg

Brazil vs Uruguay (1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF12vUvFAT4

Pele vs Racing Paris (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fggym6aBHM

Pele vs TSV Munchen (1960) (short highlight)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4z_DtbawU

Here is Pele from his 17 to his 19 years old (Pele 1958-60?) so young and so fucking smart. I can't remember any other player so dangerous in front of goal al this age.
That's all I could found of his in his early years. Hope it helps.
I'm not going to make any review of him, just gonna say the main diference between his 60's set is his pysical atributes, less at all most everything. But his goals instinct was there at this age.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby blanka797 » 2018 Jan 04, 16:39

I am sorry, but I thought some of you might learn something new from these new videos:

- Pelé 1956-1961 ● 4 Ballon d'Or ● 50 goals proves that the 20 years old boy was already a legend
https://youtu.be/fQWXu_0izSQ

- Pelé 1962 - 1964 ● The 21 Years Old Boy Already Won Everything
https://youtu.be/O7bHzNipZlY

- Pelé 1965 - 1967 ● He was Unstoppable ● Was this his peak?
https://youtu.be/XDk0mDZzaq0

- Pelé 1968 - 1971 ● The Ultimate Show in football ● Was this his peak?
https://youtu.be/xLSROtf6Z8o

- Pelé 1973 ● South America Player of The Year ● The Perfect Ending
https://youtu.be/KY4cl7mHDFs

- Pelé vs Pelé ● Who scored more beautiful goals? ● Who was the Crowd Entertainer
https://youtu.be/f_9mc8DYltI

- Maradona vs kids ● Pelé vs men ● Who had the bigger talent?
https://youtu.be/eojTtpRuJAE

- PERFECT! Pelé ● Volleys ● Acrobatics
https://youtu.be/PwEygdaUzIQ

- Pelé ● Speed, Strength, Jumps ● Physical Attributes
https://youtu.be/xKF-Y2ingq4

- Pelé ● The National Treasure of Brazil
https://youtu.be/IhS-qdcEc_Y

- GENIUS! Pelé ● The Playmaker ● Foundations of Classic Number 10
https://youtu.be/MpsOar-x7dI

- Pelé ● The Legend of Legends ● 100 players talking about him
https://youtu.be/ZWhVMPU-p9Y

- Pelé ● How good was he at the last minutes?
https://youtu.be/5TW_WKh0HJU

- 200 Rare Skills of Pelé ● Awesome Skills ● The Dribbling Master
https://youtu.be/THs2cEn1CoY
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby blanka797 » 2018 Jan 04, 17:11

The last time I was here Pele had 96 dribbling accuracy, I published several videos about his dribbling brilliancy than (BANG) his stats decreased to 91!
I guess a playlist full of his dribbling videos (about an hour) convinced you to decrease his dribbling stats!
I wish you won't have anytime to watch my latest videos or I am afraid Pele's stats will suffer more points because of me :D
I am very sorry for wasting your time
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby jurgens » 2018 Jan 04, 17:54

I guess a playlist full of his dribbling videos (about an hour) convinced you to decrease his dribbling stats!


Well, wouldn't an hours worth of dribbling to to analyse be the best reason to do that? An hour is a pretty large sample size to deduce ones accuracy.

I wish you won't have anytime to watch my latest videos or I am afraid Pele's stats will suffer more points because of me


Theres your problem. You're looking for the highest possible stats, we're looking for the most accurate stats. Accuracy means both raises, and decreases.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby vinnie » 2018 Jan 06, 05:24

blanka797 wrote:The last time I was here Pele had 96 dribbling accuracy, I published several videos about his dribbling brilliancy than (BANG) his stats decreased to 91!
I guess a playlist full of his dribbling videos (about an hour) convinced you to decrease his dribbling stats!
I wish you won't have anytime to watch my latest videos or I am afraid Pele's stats will suffer more points because of me :D
I am very sorry for wasting your time


i think you are taking this all too hard. any effort anyone makes to create or share extra video footage is appreciated because it gives us more material to use for consideration when judging pele's qualities, but like jurgens said, we aren't trying to just boost player's stats endlessly; this forum is entirely intent on trying to honestly rate players fairly for their particular qualities.

I've not really commented much on pele, but over the years i've watched a decent amount of video footage by total accumulation, and my impression through all these years was always one of being underwhelmed by pele's dribbling ability. He was always described as one of the best ever dribblers, but i can only see that to be true from the creativity aspect of dribbling. He's far ahead of his time in his elusiveness and trickery, but there are many players that i've watched from the same era that impressed me alot more than pele as far as pure dribbling control goes. To name a few: sivori, best, cruyff, johnstone- to a lesser extent kopa. a while ago i watched some 1970 era brazil for tostao; well in the same team, i saw clodoadle as a better dribbler just in the level of control when dribbling.

i can see many other users in this thread have talked about pele's dribbling in the same way: it's effective, dangerous, and elusive, but quite a few have shared a similar sentiment regarding pele's dribbling sloppiness; these comments are quite similar to what i've also thought at times.

i don't know what was changed recently, but looking at them now, i actually quite like the way the sets are rated at the moment.

you've not been banned from posting, so whether you continue is your prerogative. but this forum is not for just making a player infallible in every area, it's goal is to accurately rate and represent a players strengths and weaknesses. if quite a few people who don't have a particular bias towards or against pele share a consistent opinion, maybe there's some substance to that opinion?

something to consider as well: the current pele sets make him rated like a much more creative and versatile version of a romario at the moment- and romario is one of the best strikers ever!
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby blanka797 » 2018 Jan 06, 10:04

I get it now .. You had to keep his stats balanced, when you discovered you had to increase some of his other stats like heading passing shooting, other stats (especially red stats) had to be decreased to keep things balanced, right?

To jurgens:
So, you with your objective intentions were convinced Pele has to have a worse dribbling stats after watching one hour of my videos! OK .. I respect that, now can you give me - please - what exactly convinced you with that? It shouldn't be a secret, you should share your reasons with the public like I did especially when you claim you have more objectivity than me!
This is the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN3DPiwyc1-jRhixqrAMywIPKsZf9en8l

What happened was - from my angle of view - before I published my videos:
You watched a gimps of Pele's dribbling brilliancy and you were convinced that he deserves 96 .. I just add to your glimpse! That should retain his stats or maybe increase it! - Simple logic - Why the hell this made his dribbling looks worse to you? You can show me something in specific in my videos, instead of accusing me!
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby jurgens » 2018 Jan 06, 12:53

blanka797 wrote:To jurgens:
So, you with your objective intentions were convinced Pele has to have a worse dribbling stats after watching one hour of my videos! OK .. I respect that, now can you give me - please - what exactly convinced you with that? It shouldn't be a secret, you should share your reasons with the public like I did especially when you claim you have more objectivity than me!
This is the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN3DPiwyc1-jRhixqrAMywIPKsZf9en8l
!


I didn't touch his stats. I'm just explaining how things work here.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Yazid » 2018 Apr 21, 19:52

The interesting thing about Pele is how his control can seem absolutely flawless at times and actually quite sloppy at other times. Ultimately, I suppose anyone with red DA is capable of near flawless control and the distinctions are hard at that level. Consistency has to come into it I guess. What's standout rather than the level of his close control is just his creativity. Absolutely magnificent.

I also want to comment on his change of direction. Its incredible. He may not weave through defenders like a Messi or a Maradona, but his speed when going one way and then bursting the other way is unreal. Agility 90 may be conservative, but having said that, I'm basing that opinion on mixed footage including his early WC time so probably I would push for a high Agility + Accel combo in his very young years.

I always feel like when I watch Pele I should comment on his intelligence. His football IQ is off the scale. For example, his passing isn't world beating, but he moves the ball at speed and seemed talismanic even at just 17 years old. Its just a testament to his overall intelligence. We should really make a WC 1958 set.

Oh, and back to main prime set, I think its a no brainer from what I've seen in his prime that he's 99 Attack. He's just such a complete blend of physicality, intelligence and technical ability coupled with dangerous movement and almost unrivaled creativity. He's unstoppable.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Turambur » 2018 Apr 22, 02:58

Yazid wrote:The interesting thing about Pele is how his control can seem absolutely flawless at times and actually quite sloppy at other times. Ultimately, I suppose anyone with red DA is capable of near flawless control and the distinctions are hard at that level. Consistency has to come into it I guess. What's standout rather than the level of his close control is just his creativity. Absolutely magnificent.

I also want to comment on his change of direction. Its incredible. He may not weave through defenders like a Messi or a Maradona, but his speed when going one way and then bursting the other way is unreal. Agility 90 may be conservative, but having said that, I'm basing that opinion on mixed footage including his early WC time so probably I would push for a high Agility + Accel combo in his very young years.

I always feel like when I watch Pele I should comment on his intelligence. His football IQ is off the scale. For example, his passing isn't world beating, but he moves the ball at speed and seemed talismanic even at just 17 years old. Its just a testament to his overall intelligence. We should really make a WC 1958 set.

Oh, and back to main prime set, I think its a no brainer from what I've seen in his prime that he's 99 Attack. He's just such a complete blend of physicality, intelligence and technical ability coupled with dangerous movement and almost unrivaled creativity. He's unstoppable.


months ago I uploaded videos from the 1958-60, that's all I could find from those years. And there are only complete matches against France and Sweden. If we want to create a set for that time the material is limited, but it can be created anyway.

For something we have to start, and I think no one can deny his ATT, if someone knows a more dangerous player at 17 he should be dreaming. I do not think it's necessary to say that he was the most dangerous and perhaps most aggressive player in Brazil in WC 58, playing on par with Vava (another player who will need a set) and Garrincha, as if he were an experienced player, at least in elevated orange IMO. His air game isn't much worst than in the following years.

On the other hand, I do not think anything high in DA is necessary, I do not remember watching him doing any very difficult dribbling, almost everything is a combination of acceleration and agility (something like high yelows or low orange?).
His BC is incredible for someone so young, just thinking about that kind of balls, he stops it in a single movement to make a pass or start running. Amazing.

If we want a set for his younger years, then we must start with the discution about him and how we rate him.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Yazid » 2018 Apr 22, 07:18

Turambur wrote:
Yazid wrote:The interesting thing about Pele is how his control can seem absolutely flawless at times and actually quite sloppy at other times. Ultimately, I suppose anyone with red DA is capable of near flawless control and the distinctions are hard at that level. Consistency has to come into it I guess. What's standout rather than the level of his close control is just his creativity. Absolutely magnificent.

I also want to comment on his change of direction. Its incredible. He may not weave through defenders like a Messi or a Maradona, but his speed when going one way and then bursting the other way is unreal. Agility 90 may be conservative, but having said that, I'm basing that opinion on mixed footage including his early WC time so probably I would push for a high Agility + Accel combo in his very young years.

I always feel like when I watch Pele I should comment on his intelligence. His football IQ is off the scale. For example, his passing isn't world beating, but he moves the ball at speed and seemed talismanic even at just 17 years old. Its just a testament to his overall intelligence. We should really make a WC 1958 set.

Oh, and back to main prime set, I think its a no brainer from what I've seen in his prime that he's 99 Attack. He's just such a complete blend of physicality, intelligence and technical ability coupled with dangerous movement and almost unrivaled creativity. He's unstoppable.


months ago I uploaded videos from the 1958-60, that's all I could find from those years. And there are only complete matches against France and Sweden. If we want to create a set for that time the material is limited, but it can be created anyway.

For something we have to start, and I think no one can deny his ATT, if someone knows a more dangerous player at 17 he should be dreaming. I do not think it's necessary to say that he was the most dangerous and perhaps most aggressive player in Brazil in WC 58, playing on par with Vava (another player who will need a set) and Garrincha, as if he were an experienced player, at least in elevated orange IMO. His air game isn't much worst than in the following years.

On the other hand, I do not think anything high in DA is necessary, I do not remember watching him doing any very difficult dribbling, almost everything is a combination of acceleration and agility (something like high yelows or low orange?).
His BC is incredible for someone so young, just thinking about that kind of balls, he stops it in a single movement to make a pass or start running. Amazing.

If we want a set for his younger years, then we must start with the discution about him and how we rate him.


Yes I saw that, I watched those videos again yesterday. Excellent job!

Firstly, even at 17 his attack was outstanding. Just quick thinking and correct decisions. He was a bit more raw (as to be expected) and prone to more mistakes, but still he was Brazil's most dangerous player at just 17.

I think his DA was actually outstanding even at a young age, low 90s for me. But as I said in my post before, a combination of high agility and acceleration is a must to replicate the explosiveness of Pele as a player.

BC was already red imo.

Pele quite incredibly already had all the tools in place to be one of the best players on the planet at just 17. He got more effective, consistent and refined with age, but the raw talent, skills, creativity and imagination, not to mention his unparalleled footballing brain, everything was already there.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby JI Mendaro » 2018 Apr 29, 05:20

Really nice update!
Much closer to reality, and some much needed bust on the physical department, you know... the actual strongest aspect of Pelé.

The agility improvement was more than needed. 93 is a bit shy, in my opinion. He could have more. But it´s a nice start at the very least.

His speed is still too low in my opinion. So, i would suggest a change to 88. 92 in acceleration is fine.
The dribble accuracy being lowered to 94 is... strange. He actually was a fantastical dribler, DA being lower than 96 for Pelé for me is too much.
His heading is still too low 90 at the very least, and i would suggest 87 in balance, since he was really strong at his twenties.

When it comes to lowering, is it really necesary to give him 99 on attack? Pelé wasn´t a striker, he was an attacking midfielder that for todays standards played more like a second striker. 96-98 for me is fine. But he should have more aggression without a doubt. I think the person that put the 99 att on Pelé really meant to emulate what is actually aggression.
Also, why does he have such a huge number on Shoot accuracy? He wasn´t THAT accurate. He was dangerous because of his ball retention and physical power closer to the area, not because he was super accurate at shooting, he did miss a lot actually. 94 for me is enough.

Also, nobody has ever tried to replicate his late minutes playstyle (he was always fresh when everybody else was tired,and abused it) Pelé was good at not wasting energy, i think that´s why some people think he wasn´t that fast. Because most of the time he didn´t charge in full sprint. He waited for the defenders to get tired to abuse his explosive power and speed.
So, i would rise his stamina and most importantly, his mentality.

Other than that, everything is fine.

So, this is what i would change:
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby lrag » 2018 May 13, 20:04

the previous 97 SA is the lowest value i'd give him, check this,100 Pele goals showing his accuracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieLHAAYC9eA, imo only Ronaldo (R9 the phenomenom) had better SA, my top 3 would be R9 (SA 99), and tied in second place Romario and Pele both 98 SA.
there is another great video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKF-Y2ingq4
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby HeitorVieira » 2019 Feb 09, 18:56

Pelé was undoubtedly faster than this, his TS should be something between 88-90, I personally use 88, but in some plays he definitely showed orange speed.
And I think he's worth 98 for BC, he was capable of doing amazing things with his first touch that not even Zidane, Ronaldinho and Maradona were capable of
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby AMC » 2019 Feb 11, 09:59

I've just noticed these stats have been amended a few days ago, is there anywhere that shows what players have been amended or is it a case of just checking the stickied post for each player, as despite the talk of changing stats no one has says stats amended.

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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby Oriello » 2019 Feb 12, 22:05

AMC wrote:I've just noticed these stats have been amended a few days ago, is there anywhere that shows what players have been amended or is it a case of just checking the stickied post for each player, as despite the talk of changing stats no one has says stats amended.

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https://pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Update ... hp?start=7 here is the only place i know. Though I dont think any stat was actually changed, when entries are logged like that, it usually means a picture was edited or a date or something. contrast Igor Netoo below and you can see he was actually updated in his stats.
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Re: Pelé | 1961-1965 | 1969-1970

Postby AMC » 2019 Feb 12, 23:05

Cheers mate.

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