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Ignacio Piatti

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Ignacio Piatti vs Belgrano - Torneo Final 2013 - 16.02.2013
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Oct 24, 15:06

His career in general was always pretty inestable, that's why he didn't continue in Italy or was transferred to a bigger team. His form should be very low, no way he's a 5. In Independiente, Chacarita and Gimnasia was the same, still he's awesome.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Oct 24, 15:35

5 is fine, even was near of 6. The past and this was very regular, played more great games than "ghost" games, for this is always starter.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Oct 24, 15:46

5 is a good number for form, 6 is a very good one...i don't think he could get any of them if he's that irregular.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Nov 12, 14:11

The two last matches played really very well, is doing a "dirty work" unusual in him, makes the left band to helps Kannemann in the recovery and runs a lot, has a great Stamina. Vs. Boca followed/marked Erbes and sometimes Martínez, vs. Newell's to Cáceres and had a great match, was adapted very well to the Pizzi's tactics and is very useful.



This is his 5 goal in the tournament (too scored several in the Copa Argentina), maybe deserves Free Roaming? and Long Ranger? (not for this, is shooting from away usually)

Tomorrow, or day after tomorrow, I will leave some gifs and maybe a video of his last matches (All Boys, Boca, NOB).

Vickingo wrote:5 is a good number for form, 6 is a very good one...i don't think he could get any of them if he's that irregular.


I understand what you said, but he isn't too irregular, when I talked with Pablo to make the update, we were near to put 6 in form.

He had 2 o 3 "ghost matches" in these last 2 tournaments, in the rest had good matches and others amazing, imo 5 is the perfect number for him, by the moment.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Nov 23, 20:06



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=94 hell of response

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=106 good pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=121 great BB, ACC & DA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=138 good first touch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=179 response

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=258 great recovery + double touch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=306 good overflow to Erbes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=373 DA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=422 BB vs. Riaño

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=447 wall + good pass to Villalba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=488 very strong pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=503 great response + double touch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=523 good pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=643 tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcL-ITm_wE&t=678



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=114 crack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=163 great response

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=224 waist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=235 waist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=268 cleaning the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=356 good pass & vision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=368 GREAT pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=385

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=418 shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=459 good pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=545 dribble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk51fP8I8m4&t=612 penalty goal



Is in a really high level (his best moment, according him), showing a great sacrifice for the team and a really amazing stamina, this is hard to show in the videos, but runs a lot and does "the band" helping a lot in the recovery. Is showing a better Tenacity in the last matches, like vs. All Boys, Boca, Belgrano (specially in this, when Belgrano tied the game, he took the ball, ran, received a penalty and after shooted it).

Also is showing a better response (like in these videos) and a great speed, I remember a great run vs. All Boys without the ball easily +83 Top Speed.



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Another demostration of attitude and two amazing goals..
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Dimon » 2013 Nov 26, 12:23

Agree with Scaramuso's suggestion about raise in TS, also there is some time he shows how hard he can shoot. Watch this free kick against Rafaela: «rompió el arco»! Shot was almost to the center of the gate, but so, so hard that left goalkeeper without any reaction. And Conde is a good goalkeeper, by the way. SP: 84, at least.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Dec 21, 02:01

Amazing tournament of him, 8 goals, probably the San Lorenzo's player more decisive -even in the hard game- and the best tournament's player probably (I think that the best was Mercier, but he was really decisive) I think that can have a little twiks in some areas, specially in sa..

All the goals:

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His game vs. Rafaela:

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Dimon wrote:Agree with Scaramuso's suggestion about raise in TS,


Here the run that I mentioned:

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Some thing that I want mark:

Paablito wrote:-MENT: I feel his ment could be in 67/68 but not more. I don't think he is a player who deserves more than this value because often disappears in the game when all expected something of him


This is one thing that improved a lot, 69 in ment becaus disappears in the hard games, but this seasson was all the opposite. When the team needs him, him appear, and scored goals. If we are champions, is in by great merit by him.

Some examples, when the team had 2 players less in Sarandi, scored the goal (1-0). Us were Losing 1-0 against Newell's and scored the goal. Holding the ball, running to ahead, generating a penalty and after scoring, against Belgrano, in the 2-0 against Rafaela... and he was really important and active in all the games.

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def/sta

This is something really good but little appreciable in him and very hard to show in the videos, does the band and covers defensice spaces in a amazing way, when the team not have the ball ,is like a SB more, helps to Kannemann a lot, anyway, 47 in def is the perfect number to him. But not seems crazy 3 in def awareness and a little raise in stamina (2-3 points, no more), never looks tired despite his great deployment and never is replaced.

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IT: I don't remember his last injury, more of 1 year without injuries, deserves A.

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Dimon wrote:also there is some time he shows how hard he can shoot. Watch this free kick against Rafaela: «rompió el arco»! Shot was almost to the center of the gate, but so, so hard that left goalkeeper without any reaction. And Conde is a good goalkeeper, by the way. SP: 84, at least.


Totally, saving his powerfull shot against Rafaela, he improved a lot here, scored a lot of goals from long distances and kicks all the time, very strong shots and without ball rotation, dry. I can do a compilation of great shots from long distance, but with his goals I think that are enough.

I agree on 84 sp or 85 even, and too deserves long ranger and knuckle shot.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Dimon » 2013 Dec 22, 14:24

As I said "84 at least", I see 85 in SP with good eyes :)
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Dec 29, 22:48

Forgot about this thread and I didn't remember that 90 in technique, I dunno, he's got an amazing 1st touch, crazy and talented as hell, but I don't think he's that good...i mean, imo Insúa is better than him probably for 2/4 points...also can't see him 3 points over Montenegro (87), and Camoranesi. vinnie said in the range of 88-90, Paablito 87, I think he's not worth oranges, probably with 88/89 is fine. Otherwise I'd raise a bit his da, I'm more impressed about it.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2013 Dec 29, 23:03

Mmm I'm not agree, imo Nacho is better than Pipi in terms of tech..

What about my/Dimon past suggestions?

And I think that this set (with probably the changes that deserves) should be added to the classic section.. is in the best moment of his career and was the best player of the tournament.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Dimon » 2014 Jan 30, 18:33

I think his Balance should be 78 and Ment 70 (both +1). Nothing special, he covers the ball slightly better then current number makes and puts a bit more effort to make things happen.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Jan 31, 00:44

Dimon wrote:I think his Balance should be 78 and Ment 70 (both +1). Nothing special, he covers the ball slightly better then current number makes and puts a bit more effort to make things happen.


Yeah, his bb is really good, he's great covering the ball and in ment this last tournament improved a lot.

I have a lot of notes, videos and gif to do for correct some areas in this set, but I'm not have too much time lately, probably I'm going to do that when back of my holidays.

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Btw, here his good header's goal, yesterday:

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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Mar 18, 15:49

He's playing in a very low level this tournament, only played well vs. Racing and some minutes in another games.. seems that doesn't wants play, is not decisive like the past tournament and very lazy to attack (giving passes to back in place of try dribble like before).. if continuous playing in this way probably is going to lost his place in the 11. And form could decrease to 4.

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Scaramuso wrote:I have a lot of notes, videos and gif to do for correct some areas in this set, but I'm not have too much time lately, probably I'm going to do that when back of my holidays.


Probably I will take more time, je.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Mar 18, 16:20

Vickingo wrote:His career in general was always pretty inestable, that's why he didn't continue in Italy or was transferred to a bigger team. His form should be very low, no way he's a 5. In Independiente, Chacarita and Gimnasia was the same, still he's awesome.


That's why I'll always support this for him, he's irregular as hell, and always has been. I know him pretty well as I follow him since he emerged in Chacarita in 2nd division (I used to be fan and he emerged with Gustavo Colman and were crazy at that time), so I followed his career also in Gimnasia and then in Independiente where he was fantastic as well but also irregular. Imo he's 4 and sometimes he seems to deserve a lower value in form.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Paablito » 2014 Apr 04, 13:05

This tournament is the clearly example of why he doesn't deserve more than 5 in form, even 4 is a good number for his overall 2 or 3 last years, and revalidate that one of my post that his ment isn't good or better than the actual value.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Apr 04, 13:23

Vickingo wrote:His career in general was always pretty inestable, that's why he didn't continue in Italy or was transferred to a bigger team. His form should be very low, no way he's a 5. In Independiente, Chacarita and Gimnasia was the same, still he's awesome.


5 is a good number for form, 6 is a very good one...i don't think he could get any of them if he's that irregular.


You know i support 4 for him.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Apr 04, 13:28

Now I agree about form 4, but the last tournament he was very regular!
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Paablito » 2014 Apr 04, 14:45

Scaramuso wrote:Now I agree about form 4, but the last tournament he was very regular!

Yeah I know, but shouldn't analyze his form because played a good tournament, becasue here in AFA every six months should change the form (IT is the same case) of ALL players to 3-->5 , 5-->3, 7-->4, etc and that will be a disaster.
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Apr 08, 16:50

The last matches is playing better, here some things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgpoyHodEEI&t=10 good center

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgpoyHodEEI&t=35 good pass of first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgpoyHodEEI&t=61 very strong shot

-this is of the second game-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu2RbDSlYMI&t=37 perfect counter attack, great pass to Correa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu2RbDSlYMI&t=105 amazing speed with the ball running + of 60 mts and good defenition although not enter.. why not was goal? :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyNcPZr7MM&t=240 hell of speed with the ball again, more faster than Mussis without it (ends in the floor) after dribbles 1 player and kicks the ball to the shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK8aWAr5W6M&t=159 foul of the Invisible Man -.-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLo4Qvjj9cM&t=21 very strong shot (good Campestrini's response)

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLo4Qvjj9cM&t=41 another strong shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLo4Qvjj9cM&t=116 agg? good ball's theft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLo4Qvjj9cM&t=155 great pass to Correa

And, in the last game:



Amazing shot (another more), his kp improved a loot, I remember when was Alan Ruiz sometimes I confounded him with Alan, is easy 85-6.

This game was substitute, played 20 minutes and was very positive for the team, him and Elizari were really importants to win, not had direct participation in the goals, but was good moving the ball and for have it, and, when we were winning, holding it in the left side (played there, but when we scored the goals played as 5), showing a great bb for cover it, I remember that two All Boys players ended in the floor with him covering the ball.

Paablito wrote:Yeah I know, but shouldn't analyze his form because played a good tournament, becasue here in AFA every six months should change the form (IT is the same case) of ALL players to 3-->5 , 5-->3, 7-->4, etc and that will be a disaster.


Yes, I'm agree here, but maybe was the more regular Piatti's season in his life, not was only the championship tournament, the past too played good and was enough regular, was a complete year!
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Re: Ignacio Piatti

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 Apr 24, 15:59

I forgot post here, but he scored tto great goals against Botafogo, appeared in a important game again.. here are:



great shot with his "weak" foot.



hell of definition here.

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