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Arda Turan

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 13, 00:54

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Re: ARDA Turan

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Feb 17, 09:54

A-SK wrote:i'm not entirely certain about marseille roulette


he did it against Antalyaspor in 2nd leg of the cup game

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gave Arda Turan a general update. I hope he moves to a classy league as soon as possible
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Omer » 2010 Feb 17, 10:58

he can use both of his feets very good he should have wfa and wff both 7
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Oswaldo » 2010 Feb 25, 13:44

why do u assume he has early peak? i think early peak means that the player he lives his best days at 22-24 and then he'll become worse..imo he shouldn't have it since he has many potential and he can improve his plays yet. TBH it's not possible to detemine the player's growth type until he retires.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby A-SK » 2010 Feb 25, 20:24

why? you clearly haven't followed his progress yet you can somehow sit here and lecture us? at the moment, arda is making any more progress. his shooting has improved because of the fact that he's being played in attacking positions, but that's about as far as it goes. i even recall suvorov saying "he should move and carry on developing"..
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Oswaldo » 2010 Feb 26, 09:47

ok.let's see.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Feb 26, 10:55

A-SK wrote:why? you clearly haven't followed his progress yet you can somehow sit here and lecture us? at the moment, arda is making any more progress. his shooting has improved because of the fact that he's being played in attacking positions, but that's about as far as it goes. i even recall suvorov saying "he should move and carry on developing"..


true. Besides Arda has been playing since he was 17 and reached his peak when he was 21. If he wants to promote to the level of Arshavin or Rosicky, he definetly has to move cuz the atmosphere in Turkey offers very little for his personal development.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby iboshow » 2010 Mar 04, 04:33

Looking at turkey's goal he seem's to be in perfect positioning when it comes to crosses. I think playing upfront has helped as he has scored from similar situation. Also i think he deserves playmaking as he is very creative.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Mar 04, 10:22

iboshow wrote:Looking at turkey's goal he seem's to be in perfect positioning when it comes to crosses. I think playing upfront has helped as he has scored from similar situation. Also i think he deserves playmaking as he is very creative.


I also think he might get playmaking* as well as with WFA/WFF: 7 like Omer suggested just I'm not sure how playmaking* would work with side*. Actually I want to make a suggestion about his top speed&acc and Dribble speed. Arda's speed rates should be like Tim Cahill imo as both of them are incredibly affective in short distance but not considerably fast in the heights. I've been testing him with 77 TS, 84 Acc and 84 DS and the results are good to me.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby A-SK » 2010 Mar 04, 19:52

Since when have wingers been given the *Playmaking star? His ball distribution is rated highly anyways so there's absolutely no need for the star. He prefers to dribble rather than pass the ball around so unless you lot give more reason why you want the star, then you aren't gonna get an "agree" from me. I also can't understand why he's been given *Side :? He's been drifting into central positions a lot and is the main reason why he's been scoring goals inside the opposition penalty box. That should really be removed. If anything, he should have *Centre. I agree with the comparison between Cahill and Arda. I consider Arda very hard to close down in close quarters, but he isn't quick on the straights. TS could be 78 and acceleration could be 83. attack should be something like 79. He definitely has a better positional sense than Umit Karan.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby iboshow » 2010 Mar 05, 05:36

You do know he was given side because he has been playing winger for a while and he recently became a Central Attackive midfielder and now his playing upfront.
He needs a Position change.
Position: SM, AM*, WF, CF
Arda has said recently on the uefa website that he prefers to play AM and is the reason why i believe he needs playmaking star.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby A-SK » 2010 Mar 05, 06:18

fuck sake, you're talking to me like i don't know the guy! :lol: i was the first person to post his stats! playing as a winger has nothing to do with being a winger! you could be a central player and still have the star so don't talk to me in such a condescending manner.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Mrky_MNE » 2010 Jun 02, 11:30

He is definitely faster than 79 ! :O
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Zeta » 2010 Jun 02, 14:18

i like the speed stats Ali suggested. Also to me, his natural position should be lwf as it seems to suit him very well. He doesn't really need side as he always prefers to cut in and look for a shot or short pass, rather than dribblle along with touch line to aut line and cross. i also see no need to give him middle, too. As for playmaking, he mostly dribbles and give a good -if not perfect- pass to a suitable nearby teammate, and that describes most of his assists (apart from those created by corner kicks). Not much of a killer passer in my opinion. Nothing like Pirlo or Lampard style playmaking, anyway. Robben for example, has a similar style to Arda, doesn't have playmaking. So, there you go :)
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Jun 02, 14:59

I believe Arda is the one of the hardest player to rate in turkish league. Not because he's inconsistent or arrongant but simply he's unpredictable. If you use him in the right spot which is as left winger or left wing forward he's capable of achieving greatk things. But as he's carrying all of the characteristics of a winger he doesn't perform well as AMF. I think there's no need to give him starts of *center, *playmaking or *center. Like Zeta said Arda doesn't dictacte the rhythm of the game like Lampard or Pirlo but in fact he dictates the ball.

I was preparing a new set which was aimed to lower many of skills but after seeing his performance in NT he completly changed my mind. Even though he's overweight, he didn't loose a small amount of his agility which I was actually thinking of lowering it. He played 50 games in last season and in most of them he had to complete 90 mins which was a overload for him. Plus we all know he had problem with Galatasaray fans as most of the fans thinks -including me- he doesn't have qualities of a proper team captain. I belive there were various reasons behind his failiure (50 games 12 goals 29 assists and he was considered as "failed"). The first thing is he was ridiculously opted as AMF and CF or RWF by Rijkaard. Another problem is his huge ego - he tended to ignore sharing ball with giovani dos santos and elano- and his injuries which was another side affect of playing too man games as he's not a Kuyt or Gerrard. His fight with Caner Erkin probably was the lat reason.

I believe with following changes the first post would be better:

Positions: SM*, WF, AM, SS, (CF optional)

Attack: 79
Defence: 43
Top Speed: 78
Acceleration: 83
Dribble Speed: 83
Short Pass Speed: 77
Long Pass Speed: 80
Shot Accuracy: 76
Shot Technique: 77/78
Header: 75
Mentality: 77
Team Work Ability: 83

Injury Tolerance: B

Special Abilities:
*Dribbling
*Tactical Dribble
*Passing


I think Arda doesn't deserve such high SPS or LPS rates as he doesn't make 40 or 50mts diagonal passes but in fact he can send very accurate through balls. For shot tech I'm not sure either but considering his goals against Czech Rep. and USA I see no reason why he can't be given 78. It would make him par with likes of Nobre or Keita. As for mentality and teamwork; I'd like to hear what you guys think cuz I believe his understanding of tactics are far beyond better than an average player turkish player but I don't consider him as an influential player who struggles like Tuncay or etc. But apart from corners I think he has 14 or 13 assists which portrays very creative player. So we shall decide whether his passing would be enough for achieving such success or he deserves a bit more TW. Cuz the only argument behind lowering his team work was his selfish behaviour which makes him rather individualistic in presence of Giovani and Elano.

So what do you guys think
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby iboshow » 2010 Jun 02, 15:33

I think both mentality should be left as it is. If your giving his registered position as SMF then why remove *Side. I think the LPS should be 80 as most of his crosses are floaters to the far post. Also 77 SPS wouldn't that make him easy to intercept. Another thing i think condition should be lowered to 7 as it is obvious fatigue lowers his performance. Also I think we should start adding cards to our high profile players.

P05 – Trickster
P07 – Mazing Run
P11 – Cut Back Pass
P12 – Incisive Run
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S15 – Marseille Roulette
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby A-SK » 2010 Jun 02, 18:40

His mentality can easily be something like 78. A yellow for someone of his style of play would really do injustice to players like Deniz from fenerbahce. Deniz has often been criticized for being afraid on the pitch and not really pulling his weight around when his stamina is depleted, but in comparison to Arda, he definitely seems more of a team player. Arda has literally lost any desire to impress off the ball. He's good at scoring, but how often does he chase? How often does he defend? He just likes to showboat when the team need him the most. He has the mentality of an arrogant child, period. It's the only thing that lets him down. Most people don't even think he deserves the captain armband because of this. I don't think it's fair to rate him higher than Fabregas. Simple as.
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Kanouté » 2010 Jun 22, 09:58

I think the set needs some changes, some minor changes. What do you think about these?

TS: 80
Acc: 84
SPA: 85
SA: 77
SP: 82
ST: 77
Men: 77
TW: 82
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby general suvorov » 2010 Jun 22, 10:34

your suggestions more or less similar to mine. I think you're really improving yourself mate! Keep up the good work!

Now let me ask you some questions. Arda is a decent passer and by suggesting 85 SPA you may probably comparing him with Elano. However, 85 would make him par with Gerrard, Arshavin, Cassano and Modric. Do you think Arda is a passing specialist like these players? Cuz this idea seems to me questionable.

For shot power and Top Speed I'd like to hear other opinions cuz you know my opinion on this issues (Cahill comparison etc).
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby A-SK » 2010 Jun 22, 11:00

dont agree with spa and sp....
too high for my liking. top speed can be raised to 80 though ;)
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Re: Arda Turan

Postby Kanouté » 2010 Jun 22, 11:24

Alex has 85, Elano has 85, Delgado will have 83 (with your suggestion). So I think Arda could have 85 for SPA. suvorov, in my opinion, only Cassano among the players you mentioned is better passer in terms of accuracy than Arda. If you ask me he is better than both Arshavin and Gerrard and on par with Modric whom I think as an overrated player by media. (anlayın işte hocam adam sırf hırvat diye, işte reklamını fln iyi yapıyolar diye çok iyi bi oyuncu olarak biliniyor, ardanın bi tarafı kalkıktır ama bu adamdan hiç öyle eksiği yoktur.)

About SP, maybe I'm tad generous but he sometimes could send really powerful shots.

I know it would sound weird to compare him with Messi who has 84 for SA and 83 for SPA but Arda is better passer than him to me also Messi's SP makes me think I'm not such generous about that.

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