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Oliver Norwood

Postby PES Stats Database » 2013 Apr 22, 14:24

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Name: Oliver Norwood
Shirt Name: NORWOOD
Shirt Number: 4
Nationality: Northern Irish
Height: 181 cm
Weight: 80 kg
Age: 22 (12/04/1991)
Foot: R
Side: B
Positions: CMF★

TECHNIQUE
Attack: 74
Defence: 62
Header Accuracy: 72
Dribble Accuracy: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 78
Short Pass Speed: 79
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 71
Place Kicking: 80
Swerve: 79
Ball Control: 81
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
SPEED
Response: 77
Explosive Power: 76
Dribble Speed: 77
Top Speed: 77
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 80
Stamina: 82
Kicking Power: 85
Jump: 72
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 2
Defence Awareness: 2
Form: 5
Tenacity: 72
Teamwork: 77

P06 - Pinpoint Pass

OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 79
Shot Technique: 70
Aggression: 78

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Playmaking

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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby KeyserSoze » 2013 Apr 22, 18:44

Just one detail: I used Theo Janssen's set as a model to copy, but I forgot to modify height and weight.
Norwood is 180 cm tall and weighs 76 kg.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby BigStu » 2013 Apr 23, 12:08

cheers
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 03, 22:14

Not quite sure why Brighton didn't think they could use his services at least as a rotational midfield player this season and instead chose to send him out on loan again, even after he was a starting mid the season they gained promotion. This season he has been really damn good for the team and one of the best players in the Championship. I have only caught the games sporadically, but he has really impressed when I have. His passing in particular looks really good and I will try to highlight some examples below. The pace in particular with which he hits passes is mid-high yellow material it seems being conservative. The accuracy is good, but beneath the speed I believe and mid yellow as a floor. He has been showing the passing for a few years and also SP would do with a few point increase and same with SA. He is hitting an insane amount of long balls, crosses, and key passes per game and connects on most of them. The passing is a bit reminiscent of Jonjo Shelvey for me. He scores absolute firecrackers of goals from long range and has a fantastic volley on him.


https://youtu.be/qEi1jdA9vx4?t=91 great goal
https://youtu.be/qEi1jdA9vx4?t=133 one touch long ball
https://youtu.be/lSbLKey28qc?t=80 free kick service
https://youtu.be/lSbLKey28qc?t=158 pass
https://youtu.be/0kFO40jUjp0?t=19 pass
https://youtu.be/0kFO40jUjp0?t=23 pass
https://youtu.be/0kFO40jUjp0?t=41 long range goal
https://youtu.be/0kFO40jUjp0?t=67 volley
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 13, 09:51

Ok, falling in love with this guy. Start with this pass right below.
https://youtu.be/1ZRV1-jxQ7g?t=32 I never knew a pass could make me feel such emotions. If this is not perfect, right on red passing, I don't know what is!
He is a weird player. Insane long passer and just constantly hitting long balls. Fairly slow and immobile, but really makes good interceptions. Feel agility could be high 60s even if being harsh. TS, ACC, and DS all feel white to me as well. His tw is consistent of coming short when the ball is in the back and then spraying it forward, or then waiting around the edge of the box for a long shot. Not an energetic mid. Random note: he started at the Manchester United academy age 7 and stayed until 2012 on the books and was in the original game in PES 11 I think, also definitely seems a better player than Fred.

https://youtu.be/OySu67UuLD8?t=226 his dribbling isn't very clean, same with the touch, but his pass is on a rope
https://youtu.be/OySu67UuLD8?t=307 agi when closing down the opponents is probably lower
https://youtu.be/tDItkYFwvBQ?t=5 he actually makes really well read interceptions like this
https://youtu.be/kg7oCt3Qluw?t=33 the pass speed to beat the defender hedging the pass
https://youtu.be/dvwD5bv8L1A?t=5 long ball speed and placement
https://youtu.be/-sSKvoelsA4?t=62 slight deflection from being a goal
https://youtu.be/MNFwtTIzspo slow ds, red lpa and lps
https://youtu.be/MNFwtTIzspo?t=22 genuinely and consistently, one of the best one touch passers I have seen
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=71 another one touch pass with ease
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=271 the speed is insane, the accuracy is astounding
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=523 when he doesn't connect, it looks like this... the slimmest of margins
https://youtu.be/Y1x8c64exmA?t=63 definitely slower
https://youtu.be/Y1x8c64exmA?t=85 the vision
https://youtu.be/OVc7MbFh2K4?t=42 free kick assist
https://youtu.be/OVc7MbFh2K4?t=218 good tackle to support a res increase as mentioned above
https://youtu.be/OVc7MbFh2K4?t=229 teammate doesn't need to move a cm
https://youtu.be/OVc7MbFh2K4?t=257 free kick goal
https://youtu.be/OVc7MbFh2K4?t=324 anticipation and interception to spring the goal
https://youtu.be/2SV9gtbp-mA?t=43 such a good corner service
https://youtu.be/2SV9gtbp-mA?t=138 free kick service
https://youtu.be/2SV9gtbp-mA?t=185 another amazing corner service
https://youtu.be/2SV9gtbp-mA?t=190 cross

Edit:
He looks likely to power the 3rd side to the PL in 4 years... yet has not played there yet. Waste!
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby Akephalos » 2019 Jan 13, 15:10

I was watching some highlights of him and Norwood and I hav similar toughts of him. He is extremely good at passing, like he really just does whatever he wants in his passes. In my eyes he might have orange numbers for both or spa really close to 90 and lpa around 94 or 95.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby Paddy » 2019 Jan 13, 19:27

Jesus Christ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Long Pass Accuracy: 95
Long Pass Speed: 96
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 17, 04:30

Alright, I am going to attempt to address this in the most diplomatic way I can. There was a stat reset with zero posts or discussion involving the update I gave or the initial post. I provided ample evidence in support of my stances and it seems to have not been studied by those that changed it back. An update SHOULD be the result of one side making their case and then those against it take their turn refuting and providing arguments and evidence to the contrary until a consensus is formed. Instead of just acting or failing to engage in the debate, which I tried sparking on two separate occasions. Discord was the perfect forum where I was grilled on the update and had a productive back and forth on it. However, since I have and will continue to (as seen below) argue that he deserves the stats I rated him at or close to them as there was nothing really after just initial hesitance to a random guy getting that rating and some half-assed laughing face by a guy calling for Fellaini to have higher attacking ratings than Rashford, it would be in my mind an absolute necessity that you articulate yourself and provide examples to counter mine before this reversion can ever be viewed as valid. I would love to see examples of why he is NOT at the level I rated him at since I have watched every single game of his from this season and as much footage from years past as I could get my hands on. Prove that you looked at it with the same level of thoroughness I did before questioning my rating. I can get going a tad lower to orange on the long passing since red is insane and tinkering a little, but the level it was put at really shows that nothing was watched on the player.

These are almost entirely new videos on top of those I have already posted to just show the depth and width I went to scouting this player and previously condensed for the sake of brevity. My apologies for any repeats, there are too many to keep track of. Please, show me I was wrong and I will gladly concede on my prior statements and change my opinion. Until then, I will challenge your alterations and question their validity.

Shooting: please tell me how he has 60s shooting accuracy and no long shooting card. Even when he misses it isn't by much and every hit on target is well placed.
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https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=113
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=180
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=187
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=257
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=281
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=360
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=469
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=479
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=592
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Short Passing:
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https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=176
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=217
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=392
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=435
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=584
https://youtu.be/wneQ3FsipfM?t=11
https://youtu.be/M_4h8BU9wrU?t=13
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Long Passing: everything is an attempted key pass and comes with the natural lower statistical completion percentage. He hits everything a red passer can hit, but attempts many others wouldn't. Jonjo Shelvey mold type of gunner. Just pure aggression and attacking intent behind his play.
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https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=203
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=249
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=270
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=320
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=375
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=455
https://youtu.be/obwGQ4wEykg?t=520
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https://youtu.be/M_4h8BU9wrU?t=22
https://youtu.be/M_4h8BU9wrU?t=35
https://youtu.be/qnNzwv4q3WE?t=42
https://youtu.be/qnNzwv4q3WE?t=49
https://youtu.be/OM7XuyypVlU?t=7 this is the type of misses he has. one touch really hard attempts
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby BigStu » 2019 Jan 17, 20:11

Not really in for a long post nor a back and forth, had personal shit going on, only popped in to do the update late last night as I was directly asked to step in by a Gmod. I admit I was wrong to reverse shooting stats and remove the stars, but as I said in my PM, those passing stats were ridiculous, yes he clearly a quality passer, but those values are world class, I'm sorry but no championship player is world class the stats I've gone with already make him more or less equal with ruben neves, who lets not forget has stepped up and shown to be class in the prem.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jan 20, 03:31

With some help there was a few realizations: guy is a really good passer still and I went too high, but he is still damn good and orange lps, and he is really ineffective at anything else aside from passing and shooting. He is nothing defensively, slow as hell, and an absolutely terrible dribbler. Those stats would need to be tanked to not overpower him. Working through a set, but would be a much different model than I originally, and wrongfully went for.

Edit: after discussions with Vinnie where he was trying to get from me more about the player he came to the following rough set, attached with comments for those who wish to read them below that. ?? is Vinnie.

Draft set: and I would recommend 70 agi and 73 or so sa with a hair lower tech
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Attack: 70
Defence: 55
Balance: 73
Stamina: 79
Top Speed: 66
Acceleration: 70
Response: 75
Agility: 76
Dribble Accuracy: 70
Dribble Speed: 65
Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 91
Shot Accuracy: 70
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 76
Free Kick Accuracy: 83
Curling: 79
Header: 68
Jump: 63
Technique: 79
Aggression: 75
Mentality: 67
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 74

Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5


Discussion:
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anOKguyYesterday at 6:28 PM
He doesn't so much stand around as he goes close to the SB or just goes to the opposite side of the field and makes no attempt to get the ball or present as an option
??Yesterday at 6:28 PM
but does he disrupt the build up of the team?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:28 PM
No
not really
for a CM he is very rarely central
half the time he will go set up camp 5-10 yards off the corner of the 18 and hope the ball falls to him to shoot
or if play then moves over to that side he can drop deeper and whip in a cross
??Yesterday at 6:30 PM
ok, so he's average/ above average in terms of support movement?
he doesn't noticeably lag behind or stop participating in the small constant movement required
?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:31 PM
Average
he does it
but doesn't go close to the ball the way a lot of mids do
Guendouzi for instance just runs to be as close as possible as he can
has it's benefits and drawbacks
with the low speed, agility, ds norwood is going to struggle to do anything more than the one touch passes he is really good at
??Yesterday at 6:33 PM
is his DS low enough?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:33 PM
similar to the Saelness guy at St. Etienne
??Yesterday at 6:33 PM
he looks like a really low DS player from whatever footage ive watched
sixties range
anOKguyYesterday at 6:33 PM
I dropped him to 70 and honestly can go lower
yeah that is fair
I want to find a way to make him as pass dependent as possible
??Yesterday at 6:34 PM
does he ever use DS?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:34 PM
No
??Yesterday at 6:34 PM
does he ever dribble forward?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:34 PM
I can't remember him ever doing more than moving into open space
da could honestly sit at 70
he gets it caught under his feet a lot
and the ds is not there
??Yesterday at 6:35 PM
ok thats really good to know
is he weak? he also comes across like that to me.
anOKguyYesterday at 6:35 PM
he takes up those really weird positions because of it I think
he can get pushed easily when on the ball
below the 78 bb
??Yesterday at 6:37 PM
does he ever manage to resist? or is his success in getting away from challenges only due to timing or things unrelated to strength superiority?
he also seems quite weak fr me
anOKguyYesterday at 6:37 PM
he is probably 75
maybe a touch lower
he can do decent shoulder to shoulder and uses it himself when defending more than anything else, but on the ball he can be pushed off it
his ball retention is low due to his inability to create space for himself and it's tough to tell if that is all do to the shit dribbling or the bb
if you're off balance and being pressured that's not a great way to judge the bb
and why I leave it not too much lower
??Yesterday at 6:41 PM
so, can i suggest a set that is based only on what how norwood has been described to me?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:41 PM
yes
I would also drop his def
no need to have above 63 for any reason. The only good thing he does in that aspect is being present and responsive to loose balls
??Yesterday at 6:42 PM
norwood

Attack: 70
Defence: 55
Balance: 73
Stamina: 79
Top Speed: 66
Acceleration: 70
Response: 75
Agility: 76
Dribble Accuracy: 70
Dribble Speed: 65
Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 88
Long Pass Speed: 91
Shot Accuracy: 70
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 76
Free Kick Accuracy: 83
Curling: 79
Header: 68
Jump: 63
Technique: 79
Aggression: 75
Mentality: 67
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 74

Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
anOKguyYesterday at 6:43 PM
That looks really good
sa up a tad
??Yesterday at 6:43 PM
because that set makes him really vulnerable
but it still has some amazing qualities
anOKguyYesterday at 6:43 PM
To me, that is what would be perfect
??Yesterday at 6:43 PM
but he is even more vulnerable than someone like shelvey
anOKguyYesterday at 6:43 PM
yes, which is true
??Yesterday at 6:44 PM
because of the lack of physical ability, or any ability to maneuver or relieve pressure
anOKguyYesterday at 6:44 PM
Also, drop agi to about 70
??Yesterday at 6:44 PM
while still having quite good shooting for a cmf
anOKguyYesterday at 6:44 PM
his agility is shit
??Yesterday at 6:44 PM
is it that bad?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:44 PM
him trying to turn at speed is rough to see
he looks like a CB
??Yesterday at 6:45 PM
hmm what about at low speed
anOKguyYesterday at 6:45 PM
in that aspect
even then he isn't so good
??Yesterday at 6:45 PM
can you compare him to someone so i can get a precise sense of what you mean?
someone he's better than and someone he's worse than by roughly the same amount?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:46 PM
That is the stat I would have to look at most since he is just almost never in a situation where he uses it
Let me see since I think I have a video of it
at it's average
https://youtu.be/OySu67UuLD8?t=307
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??Yesterday at 6:49 PM
average compared to all players you know or the championship?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:50 PM
Average meaning average sort of agility he shows
Not picking the worst thing he has done or the best
Just a typical example of how he is when trying to be agile
??Yesterday at 6:52 PM
are there players that come to mind who you think are similar in level to norwood's agility?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:52 PM
One of the clunky DMs in the Morgan Schneiderlan mold
however that is spelled
Around that and above Matic
??Yesterday at 6:53 PM
can you give some more examples? i'd like to have a sort of sample that i can use to get a good sense of what you mean.
anOKguyYesterday at 6:53 PM
That will be the one point I need to go find more videos on but can do so now
??Yesterday at 6:54 PM
do you need to check on that?
anOKguyYesterday at 6:54 PM
Yes, agility is probably the point I need to check most
anOKguyYesterday at 7:04 PM
https://youtu.be/HS0THFExd7M?t=62 here is the most ds he will show
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??Yesterday at 7:07 PM
lol so thats nothing
is he like older xabi alonso?
who basically didnt move with the ball at all?
anOKguyYesterday at 7:07 PM
Yes haha
I am not sure I can recall him every dribbling under pressure successfully or taking someone on
just gets the ball, takes a touch or two, and passes
he can advance it under no pressure
about it
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??Yesterday at 7:09 PM
ok, so i like the sort of idea of norwood we've come to.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Mar 19, 20:43

Massive fan of the player given his unique nature. Well worth watching for those who haven’t. Got a wicked delivery on him.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby VUKDS » 2019 Mar 22, 12:11

https://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/11 ... 1139424262
Brilliant numbers, especially due the fact that he is trying those incisive passes all the time. Oklahoma had given a very interesting point about him. We shouldn't underrate players just because they are playing in the low level league. That's what Konami do and something which this place have been fighting against since its reformation. Every single player has his stronger and weaker sides and they should be portrayed realistic.

Of course, not denying that core of the new ideas is on the place, but we shouldn't randomly go all over the place and burn every single player just because he is part of lower league.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 May 16, 21:30

Updated version coming but I can't delete this
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jun 07, 18:39

So, here are some additional thoughts to try and claw my way back to relevancy on the post and make it the quality needed for the sort of set I am proposing. He has now led his third team in three years to promotion to the EPL, all of which were as a central figure. That has to be some sort of record. He is finally part of a clubs long term plans (Fulham opted for the expensive Seri instead of exercising his buyout clause from Brighton that was cheap) as their creative hub. I see him as a player with some big strengths in long passing, but clear physical limitations that are holding him back from more recognition. Honestly, players like Vanaken in Brugge slip through the cracks and are unconventional, but clearly have strengths. Since my stats making ability has been getting more refined and more disciplined studying other sets, comments, and analyses, I am going to be trying to limit this player to just what he is: a deep lying playmaker with some really interesting movement and really good passing/long shooting, but little more. Thankfully, he will be in the EPL and more people will watch him next season. Before going with concrete numbers I want to post this stuff with my observations not directly related to stats then asked more experienced members to weigh in if they can on how to make sure we convey this correctly.

Positioning/movement:
He mostly sits very deep and then moves to the side of the pitch as a deeper option that then can switch play in an instant by zipping a really pacey and well placed long ball. With his limited attacking presence anywhere closer than 25m from goal, I would be in favor of limiting his attack more. He is not making runs or movements that I would call of anything indicating high attacking intelligence or ability, rather it is a teamwork aspect. He also does this since it allows the CBs to get really, really, high up the pitch as the coach likes. Norwood does a little of the same thing Frenkie De Jong does at times where he drops ridiculously deep to get the ball and allow others to push up, and then help advance the ball quickly to try and create an overload, although with differing methods of getting the ball up the pitch. Below are some examples:
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https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=172 he moves out wide a lot to offer a short back pass option
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=269 he takes up very deep positions for the most part like this and serves a hard driven pass into more advances players, allowing his team to push further forward
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=281 here we can see his type of movement perfect, constantly dropping where he is positioned. He could very easily advance his position and be an option still, but he mostly serves as the safety option as the close and deeper positioned midfielder that is always an easy pass.
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=363 here again he walks towards his teammate on the ball to pick it up in a deep location and then gets it out wide
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=552 here again we can see him splitting the CBs and then whenever the ball moves up to the WB he tries getting closer, but clearly still in a very deep position. He does not try to run forward and attack open space that other players would thrive on, but rather is more reserved and disciplined in his approach and positioning.
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=720 first instinct after passing the ball is to drop deeper
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=823 amongst the CB line taking the place of Egan who has gone forward, and then drives a long diagonal ball out to Stevens
https://youtu.be/j3QyBJCXPEA?t=194 here he is again is a deeper and free position that a defender won’t be close to him given the area that he then can easily swing in to the box


Some more passes just because they're nice and likely higher yellow material, but I am more resigned to is than I was in the past (speed over accuracy normally and super nice one touch passes):
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https://youtu.be/j3QyBJCXPEA?t=739 here is a nice lofted pass into the runner
https://youtu.be/8zsVFGvhcZM?t=65 defender is tight and he still puts it in just the place his man will be best able to get it
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=522 the only players deeper than him are the two CBs, and just barely, when he tries to squeeze this in a very tight window. He doesn’t complete it by a hair. But, it is an aggressive look. Not many players that go for those attempts.
https://youtu.be/j3QyBJCXPEA?t=91 really good one touch long cross into the box into a very dangerous area and to pick out his teammate
https://youtu.be/dcB54De_cuo?t=84 good tight angle he puts it in


Defending:
He takes up very deep positions, but is not a proactive or aggressive defender. He looks for the passing lanes that are not being covered by his teammates, especially when the CBs are playing very high as they tend to do, and then drops to the general area to fill the space. However, he next to never presses to win the ball back and lets Fleck do more of the hard running and tacking. He points others to where they need to take up positions defensively, but he himself does not adjust his positioning, which should be really simple given his normally deep positioning beforehand. Whenever it does come time to get stuck in, he does good to win the ball and not foul, but he does really avoid that for the most part. Mostly does the basic pushing his mark wide and then can steal a ball in a crowd and tries to slow down the opposition so his teammates can get back and compact.
Spoiler: show
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=675 here he is doing a rather typical extremely low urgency press. He sees where the danger is twice in this clip and does next to nothing to close it down.
https://youtu.be/XoZc6GWZMuM?t=776 player is right behind him, and he knows this, and he doesn’t do anything to try and correct to get in a good position.
https://youtu.be/j3QyBJCXPEA?t=582 does nothing to step to Adam Reach
https://youtu.be/4SbYcCSgcYw?t=155 here again does very little and lets the cross come in without closing down much.
https://youtu.be/4SbYcCSgcYw?t=350 really slow but at least forces the attacker to go straight and cuts the option to cut inwards
https://youtu.be/whrgXdUNLqc?t=41 bad athleticism here and just passes as if he were a stationary traffic cone
https://youtu.be/whrgXdUNLqc?t=136 everyone is expected to be able to make this tackle
https://youtu.be/dcB54De_cuo?t=27 yikes


End notes and stat rough thoughts:
Attack can be in the upper 60s or 70 tops
Defense needs to go down into 55 range, maybe tops
DS is lower yet
Header and jump can both be way closer to 60
Aggression lower

I hope this can help limit him a lot more where he needs it so the strengths can be highlighted and he isn't too good overall when that is not his type of play style.

Edit:
He averaged 7.7 long passes a game (not connecting on 4.6 per game which is insanely high for an average when compared to other players) leading the league by over 2.2 more per game than the next closest field player and over 2 crosses a game which ranked in the top 5 most on a per game basis in the league.
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby BigStu » 2019 Jun 10, 11:46

Thanks for the great post, Iv've given the set a complete revamp, see how it fares next season
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby josev » 2019 Jun 11, 15:17

admittedly i don't watch sheffield games, but even from the footage i've seen of norwood it seemed obvious that he has the special ability to create danger with his passing and a decent long range shooting ability, scoring some good goals each season. he reminds me of tom huddlestone in many ways. it looks like his long passing is bordering elite level, especially his lps, many great long balls and crosses posted here look effortless, i'm impressed with the weight he can put on a ball from anywhere. his short passes also have a lot of weight on them, though i haven't seen as much impressive short passes as he delivers long ones, but his sps stands out. i'm surprised with 64 att cause it's a good playmaking cb value, i've had an impression norwood is much more involved in danger creation that that since he's known to be often audacious and direct, even if it's mostly delivered from deeper areas, it's still a lot of danger created through passing. 65 sa also looks a bit odd at first but wouldn't argue much about it, will just say that i saw a good number of well executed powerful efforts, but i can't be too sure, maybe he sends all of the other attempts terribly wide

no disrespect to your update bigstu, but can you please comment on those things?
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby BigStu » 2019 Jun 11, 17:47

Trying to show how he isn't a danger in the final third, rather deeper, maybe went to far with that attack and perhaps SA could sit slightly higher
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Jun 11, 18:01

BigStu wrote:Trying to show how he isn't a danger in the final third, rather deeper, maybe went to far with that attack and perhaps SA could sit slightly higher

I would flip attack and aggression values likely the more I think about it. He is dangerous, but from deep as noted. Think that would do the trick?
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby josev » 2019 Jun 11, 18:04

BigStu wrote:Trying to show how he isn't a danger in the final third, rather deeper, maybe went to far with that attack and perhaps SA could sit slightly higher

well i think when rating att what matters is not where the danger comes from but just the amount of it created, the danger itself, how much influence player's actions have on team's attack course, what would you give him for that? also what's your impression of his passing speeds, i mean its consistency, it's not something he shows all the time? from the limited footage of his passes it's been clear to me than he's shown around high 80s lps and 85+ sps a lot
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Re: Oliver Norwood

Postby anOKguy » 2019 Aug 13, 18:54

Oliver Norwood, welcome to the promised land. You earned it.

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