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Hatem Ben Arfa

Posted: 2008 Dec 14, 10:54
by PES Stats Database
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 15, 23:27
by Ulises
IMO he deserves higher balance, 75/76, he is looks stronger to me this season.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 24, 17:34
by nonobus
Fantastic dribbler but he is so inconsistent :( Anyway i suggest:
Balance: 75(+3)
Acceleration: 90(+2)---} he has a fantastic acceleration like benzema.
Dribble Speed: 91(+4)---}i think he dribbles the fastest in ligue1.
Technique: 85(+1)

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 25, 21:59
by HiddenShadow
nonobus wrote:Fantastic dribbler but he is so inconsistent :( Anyway i suggest:
Balance: 74(+2)
Acceleration: 90(+2)---} he has a fantastic acceleration like benzema.
Dribble Speed: 91(+4)---}i think he dribbles the fastest in ligue1.
Technique: 85(+1)



Erhhh, I agree with the body balance, and the technique, but I don't particurly agree with the acceleration and DS.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 28, 10:56
by gib2504
i agree with HiddenShadow, agree with Balance and Technique but not the accel or DS

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 30, 12:37
by nonobus
In that case i think he can have:Balance: 75
Acceleration: 89
Dribble Speed: 89

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 31, 01:13
by Ulises
nonobus wrote:In that case i think he can have:Balance: 75
Acceleration: 89
Dribble Speed: 89


Agree

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2008 Dec 31, 01:48
by Paddy
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 05, 23:28
by jmg721
Here are my thoughts on him...
Bal 75
Technique is really good, but I don't know what kind of value to put on it :?
86 agility like zarate

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 06, 17:03
by sticky-fingers
nonobus wrote:Fantastic dribbler but he is so inconsistent :( Anyway i suggest:
Balance: 75(+3)
Acceleration: 90(+2)---} he has a fantastic acceleration like benzema.
Dribble Speed: 91(+4)---}i think he dribbles the fastest in ligue1.
Technique: 85(+1)


Agree with you :P
He can be AMAZING, but he's very inconsistent :? Some people compare him as CR7 at his MU's débuts.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 09, 13:16
by nonobus
Since no response i re-suggest for Ben Arfa:
Balance: 75
Acceleration: 89
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 89
:arrow: He is underrated in this aspect: he is one of the fastest and best dribbler in ligue1.But he's inconsistent( that's why he has consistency 5). And if Aguero has90 in DA, i don't understand why Ben Arfa is so far,since he's capable of doing this http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xq60d_Lyon95470_foot-lyon/video/x78lud_festival-de-ben-arfa_sport many times.

And finally Technique: 85

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 09, 17:29
by pedala robinho
Agree with you suggestions, and I think soon we will change his Technique again: his first touch is really nice, I think even 86 would be good.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 09:49
by HiddenShadow
nonobus wrote:Since no response i re-suggest for Ben Arfa:
Balance: 75
Acceleration: 89
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 89
:arrow: He is underrated in this aspect: he is one of the fastest and best dribbler in ligue1.But he's inconsistent( that's why he has consistency 5). And if Aguero has90 in DA, i don't understand why Ben Arfa is so far,since he's capable of doing this http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xq60d_Lyon95470_foot-lyon/video/x78lud_festival-de-ben-arfa_sport many times.

And finally Technique: 85



I agree with you there, but his technique could deffinitly go up now.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 11:37
by nonobus
So agree: HiddenShadow, pedala robinho, nonobus, sticky-fingers, Ulises
Maybe update?

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 12:10
by jmg721
nonobus wrote:So agree: HiddenShadow, pedala robinho, nonobus, sticky-fingers, Ulises
Maybe update?
I kinda feel like you just threw out a bunch of numbers, got some agrees, and are pushing for updates. I feel there was minimal dialog when this is a very intriguing prospect. There is no need to rush an update, just for more people to say to raise stats. I feel there needs to be more discussion on his technique. Is 85 enough? What about my Agility suggestion? Do you just ignore it because I didn't get any agrees?

I mean you can make the update, I just don't feel like we are learning anything or using ladders appropriately. Who is he on the same level as. Not almost as good as Aguero in this..or almost as good as Benzema in that. If that is the case no one would be 2 points below someone. :roll:

Suggestion Recap:
Balance: 75(nanobus)(ulises)(jmg)(sticky)(pedala)(hidden) 74(hidden)(gib)
Acceleration: 89(nanobus)(ulises)(pedala)(hidden) 90(sticky)
Dribble Speed: 88/89(ulises) 89(nanobus)(pedala)(hidden) 91(sticky)
Technique: 85(nanobus)(hidden)(gib)(sticky)(ulises) 86(pedala)
Agi: 86(jmg) 89(ulises)
DA: 88(nanobus)(pedala)(hidden)(ulises)

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 12:23
by Ulises
jmg721 wrote:
nonobus wrote:So agree: HiddenShadow, pedala robinho, nonobus, sticky-fingers, Ulises
Maybe update?
I kinda feel like you just threw out a bunch of numbers, got some agrees, and are pushing for updates. I feel there was minimal dialog when this is a very intriguing prospect. There is no need to rush an update, just for more people to say to raise stats. I feel there needs to be more discussion on his technique. Is 85 enough? What about my Agility suggestion? Do you just ignore it because I didn't get any agrees?

I mean you can make the update, I just don't feel like we are learning anything or using ladders appropriately. Who is he on the same level as. Not almost as good as Aguero in this..or almost as good as Benzema in that. If that is the case no one would be 2 points below someone. :roll:

Suggestion Recap:
Balance: 75(nanobus)(ulises)(jmg)(sticky)(pedala)(hidden) 74(hidden)(gib)
Acceleration: 89(nanobus)(ulises)(pedala)(hidden) 90(sticky)
Dribble Speed: 89(nanobus)(ulises)(pedala)(hidden) 91(sticky)
Technique: 85(nanobus)(hidden)(gib)(sticky) 86(pedala)
Agi: 86(jmg)
DA: 88(nanobus)(pedala)(hidden)


I have to disagree with you suggestion of agility. IMO his agility is his best qualities at dribbling, he can turn his body easily and his movements quick and coordinate. I think he should be: Agility: 89, DA: 88, and DS: 88, but i can still agreeing with DS: 89.

So take me as an agree with DA: 88, and Tech: 85.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 12:26
by jmg721
So you are saying he is more agile than Lavezzi.....Hell No!! I think a lot of Marseille's player agility is overrated tbh.

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 12:46
by spinaL
jmg is right, take a look at bakari kone 95 altough is suits him well :P

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 13:56
by nonobus
jmg721 :arrow: I didn't just threw out a bunch of numbers. I've been following this player since his first matches with lyon. Since when he arrived at lyon at 15 until now: a very good dribbler but inconsistent..


SO i will re-explain my suggestions: i will compare Ben Arfa with Benzema(2 players i appreciate). First both dribble very well and fast. But Ben Arfa dribbles more and better than Benzema. Normal he's a midfielder whereas Benzema is CF. And i don't think that a player like Aguero who has 90 in DA is so much better than Ben Arfa when Ben Arfa can do that often http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xq60d_Lyon95470_foot-lyon/video/x78lud_festival-de-ben-arfa_sport.
That's why i suggest DA 88 .

I even say that Ben Arfa dribbles as fast as Benzema : http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ben%2Barfa/video/x7jmzr_ben-arfa-skills-vs-liverpool_sport

Both are great DA+ great acceleration= explosive player. They really look alike in term of ACC and DS. They were nicknamed at lyon the 'BIG BENS' So i suggested ACC at least 89 and DS at least 89.


Now concerning your Agility suggestion i didn't touch on them because my suggestions were made before( and i had some disagree) and people seem to have more opinions about it. Otherwise i disagree with Agility 86. Because his agility is also one of his best asset even though he's at 1,78 m. Just look at his dribbles(specially his cruiyff turn). http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ben%2Barfa/video/x7i8xx_ben-arfa-vs-le-mans_sport
So other opinions ?

Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Posted: 2009 Jan 10, 14:49
by pedala robinho
Calm down, people. Let's recap all suggestions.

* Body Balance: 75 - He loves to goes to the ground, but when he needs, he can be a bit strong.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan deserves, on pair with Nasri have. Not more, not less.
* Agility: 86 - Disagree! Zárate is rated at 87, Pato at 87, Menez at 86. I'm not sure if he's better than that players, but at least on pair, so 87. But maybe even 88, like is now, is good to Ben Arfa. Anyways, my suggestion here is 87. Not totally sure if he's as agile as Giovani dos Santos and Bojan.
* Dribble Accuracy: 88 - What I can say? Just look he playing! He's totally skifulled, he can past 1, 2, 3 defenders without difficult. On pair with Giovinco, IMO better than Alexandre Pato, Bojan, Menez, Zárate and a bit better than Samir Nasri.
* Dribble Speed: 89 - He really loose minimal speed with the ball, but I would put him at 88, on pair with Alexandre Pato, Menez, Bojan Krkic.
* Technique: 85 - His first touch is really nice. Not world class, worst than Anderson, Alexandre Pato, Nasri, but on pair with Bojan, Carlos Eduardo...