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Hatem Ben Arfa

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 14, 10:54

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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby HiddenShadow » 2009 Jan 10, 16:11

So, are we going to update him or what?
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby sticky-fingers » 2009 Jan 10, 18:28

I think you're mostly wrong.

He's better (ACC, DA, DS) than these others players... but he's so inconsistent.
In comparison, Nasri is so slow... but he plays in EPL now :roll:
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby nonobus » 2009 Jan 10, 18:48

sticky-fingers wrote:I think you're mostly wrong.

He's better (ACC, DA, DS) than these others players... but he's so inconsistent.
In comparison, Nasri is so slow... but he plays in EPL now :roll:

:arrow: Just what i said Ben Arfa is far faster than Nasri who has TS:84 and ACC:88
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Xyder » 2009 Jan 10, 18:53

pedala robinho wrote:Calm down, people. Let's recap all suggestions.

* Body Balance: 75 - He loves to goes to the ground, but when he needs, he can be a bit strong.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan deserves, on pair with Nasri have. Not more, not less.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC, and Bojan a 88. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan. Not more, not less.
* Agility: 86 - Disagree! Zárate is rated at 87, Pato at 87, Menez at 86. I'm not sure if he's better than that players, but at least on pair, so 87. But maybe even 88, like is now, is good to Ben Arfa. Anyways, my suggestion here is 87. Not totally sure if he's as agile as Giovani dos Santos and Bojan.
* Dribble Accuracy: 88 - What I can say? Just look he playing! He's totally skifulled, he can past 1, 2, 3 defenders without difficult. On pair with Giovinco, IMO better than Alexandre Pato, Bojan, Menez, Zárate and a bit better than Samir Nasri.
* Dribble Speed: 89 - He really loose minimal speed with the ball, but I would put him at 88, on pair with Alexandre Pato, Menez, Bojan Krkic.
* Technique: 85 - His first touch is really nice. Not world class, worst than Anderson, Alexandre Pato, Nasri, but on pair with Bojan, Carlos Eduardo...


Fully agree, but Agility IMO it's fine at 88, and if we had to modify I will increase in 1 point.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Markulur » 2009 Jan 10, 21:30

You have my agree to all the suggestions and to aglity from Xyder. ;)
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Ulises » 2009 Jan 11, 13:52

Xyder wrote:
pedala robinho wrote:Calm down, people. Let's recap all suggestions.

* Body Balance: 75 - He loves to goes to the ground, but when he needs, he can be a bit strong.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan deserves, on pair with Nasri have. Not more, not less.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC, and Bojan a 88. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan. Not more, not less.
* Agility: 86 - Disagree! Zárate is rated at 87, Pato at 87, Menez at 86. I'm not sure if he's better than that players, but at least on pair, so 87. But maybe even 88, like is now, is good to Ben Arfa. Anyways, my suggestion here is 87. Not totally sure if he's as agile as Giovani dos Santos and Bojan.
* Dribble Accuracy: 88 - What I can say? Just look he playing! He's totally skifulled, he can past 1, 2, 3 defenders without difficult. On pair with Giovinco, IMO better than Alexandre Pato, Bojan, Menez, Zárate and a bit better than Samir Nasri.
* Dribble Speed: 89 - He really loose minimal speed with the ball, but I would put him at 88, on pair with Alexandre Pato, Menez, Bojan Krkic.
* Technique: 85 - His first touch is really nice. Not world class, worst than Anderson, Alexandre Pato, Nasri, but on pair with Bojan, Carlos Eduardo...


Fully agree, but Agility IMO it's fine at 88, and if we had to modify I will increase in 1 point.


Here the same agree with pedala robinho, but with xyder modification in agility.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby spinaL » 2009 Jan 11, 15:40

I also agree on pedala_robinho suggestion and xyder's agility ;)
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Jan 11, 20:56

So, to make this more legible:

Body Balance: 75
Acceleration: 88
Agility: 88/89
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 88
Technique: 85

The descriptions are above, with ladders and explanations.
We have 5 agrees.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 11, 21:00

Again, I haven't seen him as much as most of you guys, but I am finding it really hard to believe his Agility is on the same level as Lavezzi(88) or Giovinco(89) :? He isn't THAT fluid IMO.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Jan 11, 21:03

Man, believe me, I'm not totally sure, but I think he's AS AGILE AS Bojan Krkic.
And TBH, I think Giovinco deserves a better Agility.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Ulises » 2009 Jan 13, 23:28

pedala robinho wrote:Man, believe me, I'm not totally sure, but I think he's AS AGILE AS Bojan Krkic.
And TBH, I think Giovinco deserves a better Agility.


Yes giovinco deserves higher agility
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby nonobus » 2009 Jan 24, 13:46

pedala robinho wrote:So, to make this more legible:

Body Balance: 75
Acceleration: 88
Agility: 88/89
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 88
Technique: 85

The descriptions are above, with ladders and explanations.
We have 5 agrees.

I agree too.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby krougy187 » 2009 Jan 24, 14:38

pedala robinho wrote:
Body Balance: 75
Acceleration: 88
Agility: 88/89
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 88
Technique: 85


Agree!
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby BECKS23LA » 2009 Feb 22, 15:58

Agree!

What about Passing* and Outside*
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Feb 22, 22:39

Updated due to the large consensus ;)
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby sticky-fingers » 2009 Feb 24, 17:59

Consistency : 1 :roll:
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby nonobus » 2009 May 03, 17:26

I'd like to re-open the discussion about HBA because i feel there are some aspects where he(as a ligue1 player :roll: ) is simply underrated. I will particulary answer to this post :arrow:
pedala robinho wrote:Calm down, people. Let's recap all suggestions.

* Body Balance: 75 - He loves to goes to the ground, but when he needs, he can be a bit strong.
* Acceleration: 89 - Disagree! I don't think he deserves that burning acceleration. Drenthe deserves a 89 in ACC. So I would maintain 88, on pair with Bojan deserves, on pair with Nasri have. Not more, not less.
* Agility: 86 - Disagree! Zárate is rated at 87, Pato at 87, Menez at 86. I'm not sure if he's better than that players, but at least on pair, so 87. But maybe even 88, like is now, is good to Ben Arfa. Anyways, my suggestion here is 87. Not totally sure if he's as agile as Giovani dos Santos and Bojan.
* Dribble Accuracy: 88 - What I can say? Just look he playing! He's totally skifulled, he can past 1, 2, 3 defenders without difficult. On pair with Giovinco, IMO better than Alexandre Pato, Bojan, Menez, Zárate and a bit better than Samir Nasri.
* Dribble Speed: 89 - He really loose minimal speed with the ball, but I would put him at 88, on pair with Alexandre Pato, Menez, Bojan Krkic.
* Technique: 85 - His first touch is really nice. Not world class, worst than Anderson, Alexandre Pato, Nasri, but on pair with Bojan, Carlos Eduardo...


.First his speed: i've watched him play many times and i think it's nearly outrageous to put HBA only one point above nasri: toward nasri, hba is like usain bolt. The difference of speed between both is huge!

I don't want to be rude but seriously hba is very fast with the ball and without the ball,anyone who watch him play can agree(also nasri may be overrated i don't know) but i don't want to be biased and since you think he doesn't deserve that much burning acceleration so i'd only suggest Top speed86(+1).

.Then his DA and DS:not much to say about his DA,the best in ligue1: the ball stick to his feet,he can make incredible rush between defenders.(also here clearly better than nasri).Thanks to his fantastic ability to past players,agility and speed. He has shown consitency(sadly only in his dribbles) in marseille. That why i feel he could be at DA89(same as robben,van persie and DS90(at least the same as pato, hamsik,torres,mancini).

I also think he need a decrease in his defense: he don't like to defend,he's rarely in defense to help his teammates, i suggest DEF38
I add a raise in attack to 78.
ATT78
TS86
DA89
DS90
DEF38

Lets discuss ;)
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Helios » 2009 May 03, 23:57

Make it so. But 5 (the average value) in consitency is too much for him.

I'd make it at least 1 point lower.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby Paddy » 2009 May 04, 13:25

I consider 5 to be slightly below for Consistency.
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Re: Hatem BEN ARFA

Postby nonobus » 2009 May 08, 11:05

Helios wrote:Make it so. But 5 (the average value) in consitency is too much for him.

I'd make it at least 1 point lower.

that's more a mentality issue than consistency then: maybe a reduce in MENT?
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