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Douglas

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 11, 23:29

Name: Douglas dos Santos
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Last edited by pedala robinho on 2009 Feb 02, 23:14, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby carriero » 2010 Sep 02, 16:35

in the gremio ,he don't have good stamina often being replaced by 70 minutes .I think it should be lowered to about 77-78.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby Winston » 2010 Sep 05, 02:20

carriero wrote:in the gremio ,he don't have good stamina often being replaced by 70 minutes .I think it should be lowered to about 77-78.


I don't know. The same happens with D'Alessandro and the two have the same stamina. 81 is a bad value for a midfielder. 77-78 let him next to Ronaldo!
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby Odi1981 » 2010 Sep 05, 03:54

Winston wrote:
carriero wrote:in the gremio ,he don't have good stamina often being replaced by 70 minutes .I think it should be lowered to about 77-78.


I don't know. The same happens with D'Alessandro and the two have the same stamina. 81 is a bad value for a midfielder. 77-78 let him next to Ronaldo!


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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby squallzinn » 2010 Sep 30, 14:30

Defence: 40
Balance: 77
Stamina: 79
Top Speed: 80
Response: 78
Long Pass Speed: 80
Technique: 86
Mentality: 73
Form: 5
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby carriero » 2010 Oct 06, 15:24

i think how his is a playmaker ,he need a up in tw like 81-82..bb77-78
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby pedala robinho » 2010 Oct 06, 18:47

I have already done a nice update on this player, I probably will post soon. Would like some help on his cards, if possible =].
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby guibarneche » 2010 Oct 19, 20:38

His technique is outstanding... he carries the ball very close to his feet, even when running fast (Messi-style).

I think his techinique is as good as D'Alessandro's... or even a bit higher. This stat could be raised to a 88~90 margin, IMO.

And his agility is very good too... Douglas makes some very fast turns, and "hides" the ball from his markers very quickly when receives a tackle. This stat could be raised 1~3 points.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby Anders » 2010 Oct 25, 16:21

IMO he deserves technique 87~88, someone said about increase his bb maybe BB 77 and about agility IMO for a playmaking 83 is a high value in agi.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby pedala robinho » 2010 Oct 25, 17:46

guibarneche wrote:His technique is outstanding... he carries the ball very close to his feet, even when running fast (Messi-style).

You probably had a misunderstood concept of Technique ;) .

These players that carry the ball close to his feet deserve a high DA, not TEC. The "dribbling accuracy" attribute indicate how close a player can carry the ball. On the other hand, "technique" describes how good a player is at trapping, "killing" the ball. It's all about the first touch on the ball. Players with worse technique tends to needs more than just a touch to kill the ball.

So, technique = trapping of the ball (in portuguese: domínio de bola), and dribble accuracy = control of the ball (in portuguese: controle de bola, condução de bola, o quão próximo de seu pé o jogador está apto a conduzir a bola).

Anyways, I do rate Douglas trapping of the ball better or at least equal to his control. On my update, I plain to give him TEC 87 and DA 86. I sent a new set to Maguss, just need to wait his response.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby guibarneche » 2010 Nov 02, 17:45

pedala robinho wrote:
guibarneche wrote:His technique is outstanding... he carries the ball very close to his feet, even when running fast (Messi-style).

You probably had a misunderstood concept of Technique ;) .

These players that carry the ball close to his feet deserve a high DA, not TEC. The "dribbling accuracy" attribute indicate how close a player can carry the ball. On the other hand, "technique" describes how good a player is at trapping, "killing" the ball. It's all about the first touch on the ball. Players with worse technique tends to needs more than just a touch to kill the ball.

So, technique = trapping of the ball (in portuguese: domínio de bola), and dribble accuracy = control of the ball (in portuguese: controle de bola, condução de bola, o quão próximo de seu pé o jogador está apto a conduzir a bola).

Anyways, I do rate Douglas trapping of the ball better or at least equal to his control. On my update, I plain to give him TEC 87 and DA 86. I sent a new set to Maguss, just need to wait his response.



Hmm... i tought the way he controls the ball was part of technique. Well, good to know :D

But his trapping and first touch are pretty good. I agree with your update. I just think that D'Alessandro's agility is not so higher than Douglas'... in fact, Douglas is nearly as agile as D'Alessandro, with fast turnings when in possesion of the ball.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby squallzinn » 2010 Nov 03, 12:52

IIMO D'Ale is more agile and faster than Douglas, but Douglas has a better balance than D'Ale.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby rafzin » 2010 Nov 03, 16:18

There is a rumor that is coming a new set by pedala in next days.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos, Al-Wasl (UAE)

Postby Lucas » 2010 Nov 03, 19:03

rafzin wrote:There is a rumor that is coming a new set by pedala in next days.

Great, waiting for that!!! If pedala is doing something i think I can help with the looks of first post:
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Name: Douglas dos Santos "DOUGLAS"

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Club: Grêmio FBPA
Number: -
Position: AMF*
Nationality: Brazilian _bra
Age: 28 (18/2/1982)
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby .Maguss. » 2010 Nov 04, 00:41

This is what pedala sent to me:
pedala robinho wrote:Attack: 77
Defence: 42
Balance: 77
Stamina: 79
Top Speed: 80
Acceleration: 82
Response: 79
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 85~86
Dribble Speed: 79
Short Pass Accuracy: 84
Short Pass Speed: 81
Long Pass Accuracy: 84
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 79
Free Kick Accuracy: 78
Curling: 82
Header: 71
Jump: 74
Technique: 86~87
Aggression: 79
Mentality: 74
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 82
Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness:6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot frequency: 5
Consistency: 5

PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P03 - Classic No. 10
S02 - Passer

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Tactical Dribbling
*Passing
*Playmaking

That set looks much better than the previous one, though I disagree with the high SA. I think we can start a new discussion with that.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby pedala robinho » 2010 Nov 04, 01:14

I would have no problems putting his SA on pair with D'Alessandro, or even one point higher. So, for me it could be 76-77.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby guibarneche » 2010 Nov 04, 04:03

Well, i don't see the point on reducing his speed that much. He's way faster than his fatness suggests :D

I aggree Douglas is a bit overrated in his speed-related stats... but i think reducing 2 points in top speed and 1 in acceleration is enough. My suggestions:

Top Speed: 80
Acceleration: 83
Dribble Speed: 80~81
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby squallzinn » 2010 Nov 04, 12:35

His TS ins't good, He only have a good ACC.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby .Maguss. » 2010 Nov 04, 14:50

I'd go with 76 SA, same as D'ale.

I wouldn't go into this Speed Stats discussion, as only one point of diference in Acc., with the same TS, doesn't make much change on the player at all.
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby guibarneche » 2010 Nov 04, 15:05

.Maguss. wrote:I'd go with 76 SA, same as D'ale.

I wouldn't go into this Speed Stats discussion, as only one point of diference in Acc., with the same TS, doesn't make much change on the player at all.



Well, but that's how i see his Speed Stats... He isn't a velocist (far from that), but he's fast enough to run-past his markers, and draw some nice counter-attacks. His DS is nice how it is... maybe the decrease of 1 point is enough.

Douglas doesn't have a great top speed, but still does some decent sprints, thanks to his fairly good Acceleration. I think he's as good as Jonas in this stat, that's the reason for me to put 83 in this stat IMO. And i don't think his top speed should have a green value... 80 is fit for him.


Well, that's just suggestions :D
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Re: DOUGLAS dos Santos

Postby .Maguss. » 2010 Nov 04, 15:11

guibarneche wrote:
.Maguss. wrote:I'd go with 76 SA, same as D'ale.

I wouldn't go into this Speed Stats discussion, as only one point of diference in Acc., with the same TS, doesn't make much change on the player at all.



Well, but that's how i see his Speed Stats... He isn't a velocist (far from that), but he's fast enough to run-past his markers, and draw some nice counter-attacks. His DS is nice how it is... maybe the decrease of 1 point is enough.

Douglas doesn't have a great top speed, but still does some decent sprints, thanks to his fairly good Acceleration. I think he's as good as Jonas in this stat, that's the reason for me to put 83 in this stat IMO. And i don't think his top speed should have a green value... 80 is fit for him.


Well, that's just suggestions :D


Sorry, bad meaning by myself. I meant I WON'T go into this dicussion, not WOULDN'T like I wrote. I was talking about myself.

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