Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

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Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 May 22, 19:24

Club: Partizan Belgrade (1962/1966) | 1. FC Köln (1966/1968)



Growth type: Early/Lasting


INFO:

Šoškić was among top 3 goalkeepers in the former Yugoslavia. Really hard working, team player, with never-say-die attitude. Played for Partizan Belgrade, 1. FC Köln and Yugoslavian national team with great success. Had three serious injuries during his career. First one at the beginning of his career in Partizan Belgrade. After one save after the corner, while Šoškić was on the ground, one of the opposite players jumped on his lower part of the leg and broke his ligaments. That was in the 19. minute of the game. Šoškić stayed on the goal until the end of the match! It was so serious that doctors said, that he should consider himself lucky if he could walk without cane. 7 months after the surgery, rehabilitation and much hard work he was back, and he was better then ever. He can thank for that only to his iron will (since people from Partizan offered no real help to him). Also during his years in 1. FC Köln, he has broken his leg and again return stronger then ever. Amazing will power, I would say! Sadly, in his late years this (broken leg) happened again and he started to think about retiring from football.

In the penalty box he's the king. Great positioning, timing and bravery (probably too much in some moments, because this is the cause of all 3 of his injuries). He's appeared in the match between England and Rest of the World in 1965, on Wembley. First halftime Yashin was GK for the Rest of the World and second halftime was Šoškić's time. He was that kind of goalkeeper that often saved amazing shoots that everybody already considered to be goals.

When somebody tries to compare Yashin and Šoškić, one interesting information shows up. Bora Kostić (striker for Red Star Belgrade during '50s and '60s, and the best Yugoslavian free kick taker of that time) never scored free kick against Šoškić, while against Yashin he scored one time from good distance (from around 35 meters). This is very interesting because Kostić played 2 or 3 times against Yashin, while against Šoškić he played more then 20 times.


VIDEOS:


(Šoškić's training: from 4:50 until the end of the video)


(quarterfinals against West Germany in 1962 World Cup, Chile)


(group stage against USSR in 1962 World Cup, Chile)


ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milutin_%C5%A0o%C5%A1ki%C4%87

http://www.reprezentacija.rs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1568&Itemid=12

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=58280/index.html

http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/soskicmilutin/

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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ 1962/1971

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Jul 28, 22:41

Now, I've updated Soskic due to more videos watched. I've realized that I've truly underrated his TS and ACC, due to my smaller knowledge about him 2 months ago. Also, here are a few more things I found out about Soskic when I watched that videos.

He had very good defensive positioning, but he would sometimes run from his line in order to sweep or catch the ball, and in most cases he did that superbly (although in few times, those runs from goal line were quite dangerous, and that's the main reason for 2 or 3 nasty injuries through his career). I thought that only Aggression should be raised to emulate this, but then I discussed this with Classical and he explained me that higher Mentality and higher Aggression are the proper way to emulate this. He also pointed me to the thread where this is discussed. Thanks for helping me, mate ;).

Also, I did a few minor changes of some Abilities, in order to be more synchronized with the Ladders.

List of changes:

Stamina: 75 (previously 70),
Top Speed: 70 (previously 48),
Acceleration: 72 (previously 50),
Dribble Accuracy: 50 (previously 44),
Short Pass Speed: 60 (previously 58),
Shot Accuracy: 45 (previously 40),
Shot Technique: 44 (previously 42),
Jump: 88 (previously 90),
Aggression: 65 (previously 58),
Mentality: 85 (previously 83),
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1971

Postby Classical » 2009 Jul 29, 08:23

I say: quite interesting Yashin 2nd best
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1971

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Jul 29, 09:18

Nice work NightCaller3.Congrat's mate. I've already implemented Soskic in my Yugoslavia classic team. Is there any chance to make Beara's stats :?:
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1971

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Jul 29, 13:53

I've already done it mate: 50-s/vladimir-beara-1950-1960-t10910.html
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1968

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Nov 29, 19:26

Updated.

1. Changed his Era to 1962/1968 (from 1962-1971). I decided to change his Era because during his final seasons in 1. FC Köln were disrupted by injuries.

2. Changed his Injury Tolerance to B in his 1. FC Köln days (was C). Since I've excluded his last final seasons from his Era (when he was especially injury prone), I've decided to change Injury Tolerance.

3. Changed his Growth type to Early/Lasting (from Standard/Lasting).

4. If you're interested to see other changes in these stats, and Šoškić's comparison with Ćurković, Mrkušić and Beara go here: post127980.html#p127980
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1968

Postby VUKDS » 2015 Jan 30, 20:33

I've found a couple of highlights and three full games - vs Chile, Real Madrid and England.

Soskic was an excellent keeper for that period, one of best on the world.
He's get a call for the 1963. game England vs Rest of the World, where he replaced Jashin and played the second half.


Best asset was his athleticism
Spoiler: show
and how it wouldn't after this training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9YfgU9-4Y
. He was jumping like a crazy on the high balls and crosses, but it wasn't unusual if he fucks up and drops the ball. His low balance probably affected a bit there..
He was also a pretty good shot stopper, but sometimes knew to make a mistake with positioning on the goal line or to go out of it when it's not the time for it. However, he's improved in the later years of career and became a more mature keeper.


I will post a details from the games which I was watching.


1. Yugoslavia vs Chile 0-1 , WC 1962. Match for the third place.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=680 diving save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=858 wonderful jump, but the ball has been fallen from his hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zNooHJN9Fk#t=1332 interception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zNooHJN9Fk#t=1441 catching the high ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=1014 easy save
saves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=1921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuX1rruMds#t=2440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zNooHJN9Fk#t=2289
goal scored by Chile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zNooHJN9Fk#t=2619



2. Partizan vs Real Madrid 1-2, Champions League final, 1966.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=1507 calm save of this free kick, it seems that it was a powerful shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=1981 going out of the line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=3086 catching the high ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=3130 save with the body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=3293 first goal scored by Real. Soskic couldn't do much here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=3646 Real's second goal
saves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=2049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B46Iu3sANs#t=2810



3. England vs Rest of the World 2-1, 1963. Yashin was playing the first half, Soskic replaced him for the second.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=75 aerial duel with an England forward and the save a couple of second after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=286 catching the cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=482 goal scored by England and ridiculous referee's decision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=622 crazy jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=742 another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=1250 1st goal scored by England
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=1514 save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=1878 another well save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=1887 boxing the ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=2114 catching the cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=2343 not the happiest positioning, the ball almost went into the goal here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXHfF7M_KV4#t=2398 England scored the second goal after his save here



Highlights:

Yugoslavia vs Germany 1-0, WC 1962 quarter finals
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSrXXT-Y-A#t=141 diving save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSrXXT-Y-A#t=158 intercepting the cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSrXXT-Y-A#t=174 not the best reaction after this corner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSrXXT-Y-A#t=224 save



Yugoslavia vs Uruguay 3-1, WC 1962.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbD-q038m4 chance by Uruguay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbD-q038m4#t=19 Uruguay's goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbD-q038m4#t=140 save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbD-q038m4#t=110



Partizan vs Dinamo Zagreb 2-3, 1960 league game. He was a pretty young here..
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5ejqRhr34#t=23 Dinamo scored after he went out of the goal line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5ejqRhr34#t=40 similar situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5ejqRhr34#t=49 3rd goal



USSR vs Yugoslavia 2-0, WC 1962.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgExaRS7pw#t=14 1st goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgExaRS7pw#t=28 save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgExaRS7pw#t=56 2nd goal



Czechoslovakia vs Yugoslavia 3-1, WC 1962.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2bgyjOKMNc#t=63 save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2bgyjOKMNc#t=221 Czechoslovakia 2nd goal



France vs Yugoslavia 1-0, 1965. qualifications for the WC.
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DbuQb_94D8#t=12 goal scored by France




My set:
Spoiler: show
Attack: 30
Defence: 87
Balance: 78
Stamina: 66
Top Speed: 70
Acceleration: 71
Response: 91
Agility: 86
Dribble Accuracy: 52
Dribble Speed: 54
Short Pass Accuracy: 56
Short Pass Speed: 60
Long Pass Accuracy: 62
Long Pass Speed: 68
Shot Accuracy: 46
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 47
Free Kick Accuracy: 45
Curling: 52
Header: 48
Jump: 86
Technique: 54
Aggression: 69
Mentality: 83
Keeper Skills: 89
Teamwork: 82

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

I don't know if I overreacted a bit with downgrades, but it isn't far from reality I think.
Btw, his Height is 182.
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Re: Milutin ŠOŠKIĆ | 1962-1968

Postby VUKDS » 2015 Feb 02, 20:55

I've been trying him with 88 Def, 93 GKS and 87 Jump.. With the other values I have suggested in my previous set, it looks a bit better. But I am still not really satisfied, he is rebounding too many shoots that he would save normally, and isn't so aggressive at jumping on the high balls and crosses as he used to be..
Any thoughts??
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 04, 19:30

His height should be updated on proper value like VUKDS mentioned. btw. I think your set is more or less good for him, although I'd swap DEF with GKS and increased DEF to 90.. he had real trouble in catching balls both from crosses or when needed stop the balls from 1-1 situations.. on the contrary he was good shot stopper, very good in cutting the position to the opponent players. But overall looking he hasn't been so skillful keeper, mostly has relied on explosive movements and good reactions, though generally pretty unsecure.. speed stats could stay as it is now, he was pretty fast keeper, explosive and fast in leaving penalty area to come out on the crosses from the flank and corners, maybe from that we can find pretty good amount of errors from the crosses and bad decisions in those aerial battles.. Still I think MEN should stay on current value, he was so dedicated to the training and had that famous "never-say-die attitude", even when he made mistake he didn't lose confidence in the game and we couldn't see that he lost the "head" or that has been reflected to the teammates.. Good keeper but IMO a bit overrated looking generally on the football in the past.
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby VUKDS » 2017 Jul 04, 21:53

I am not really expert on the goalkeepers so my suggestions perhaps had not been a quite good but I've provided a nice amount of video material, if anyone is interested.
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby vinnie » 2017 Jul 05, 03:02

it's tricky judging goalkeepers before the 70's, but i took a look at the videos you posted. i'm sorry to say one or two videos have been deleted, but i watched everything else.

i think he's not so impressive. I don't think he's over 81 agility either. He does have a good jump, but his reflexes just seem ok- 91 does seem too high, and his goalkeeping skills seem good but not great.

when i was watching the yugoslavia vs czechslovakia highlights i was really impressed by one save which i thought looked like orange gks, but i realized that it was actually the czech goalkeeper who made that save. He interested and impressed me much more, so i watched the czechslovakia vs spain game and he was really incredible, compare what you know about soskic to whoever this is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2bgyjOKMNc&t=2m36s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=0m23s look at the skill in this save.. red gks imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=2m03s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=2m32s another excellent diving save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=2m48s

misreads cross, but look at how he sommersaults for this reflex save:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=3m00s
you don't see this technical style anymore as it's outdated, but i know the 60's to 70's soviet training techniques emphasized gymnastics and sommersaulting, such as in ussr hockey. i don't know if there was that influence for the czech keepers.

look at how he collects this rebound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHH7OJk95Q&t=2m18s


vs hungary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawLeNZ5u8k&t=1m20s super dive to the corner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawLeNZ5u8k&t=1m36s very solid handling of volley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawLeNZ5u8k&t=2m34s superb lateral dive, and catches shot

well that's off topic, and i don't even know who this goalkeeper is, but he is hugely impressive to me, and soskic looks pretty far from that level from what you've posted. If i look at the set as it is now, i didn't look at it before i watched your videos and looking at it after having seen your videos i'd say you're right in that he needs downgrades; the current set he has is a much higher level than what i see from him. I think you can go even further down than what you suggested in my opinion, as i don't think his reflexes or agility are that good.
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 05, 07:53

VUKDS wrote:I am not really expert on the goalkeepers so my suggestions perhaps had not been a quite good but I've provided a nice amount of video material, if anyone is interested.


I just gave some suggestions to start with quality update of this player since current values are by far over bone..

vinnie wrote:well that's off topic, and i don't even know who this goalkeeper is, but he is hugely impressive to me, and soskic looks pretty far from that level from what you've posted. If i look at the set as it is now, i didn't look at it before i watched your videos and looking at it after having seen your videos i'd say you're right in that he needs downgrades; the current set he has is a much higher level than what i see from him. I think you can go even further down than what you suggested in my opinion, as i don't think his reflexes or agility are that good.


It's Viliam Schrojf, fantastic keeper.. he can easily have red GKS and probably JUMP, explosive power is great here as well.. we could work on him..

Concerning Soskic we must take in account this is only few WC matches and it's tricky judging only from that, where surely he hasn't been on the top level of perfomance.. I'll try to find some matches from ex-Yugoslavia first division matches where he appeared and try compare with those videos already posted..

edited..

in the meantime i've found two sources about his height/weight, and it seems he was 180 cm..

http://www.fussballdaten.de/person/milutin-soskic/1963/
http://www.worldfootball.net/player_sum ... -soskic/2/
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 08, 14:57

vinnie wrote:well that's off topic, and i don't even know who this goalkeeper is, but he is hugely impressive to me, and soskic looks pretty far from that level from what you've posted. If i look at the set as it is now, i didn't look at it before i watched your videos and looking at it after having seen your videos i'd say you're right in that he needs downgrades; the current set he has is a much higher level than what i see from him. I think you can go even further down than what you suggested in my opinion, as i don't think his reflexes or agility are that good.


Ok, in last days I've tried to find some more materials but it is very hard to find anything else except of his matches in Yugoslavia NT.. there are some highlights from league matches but it is very short where we can't see anything useful and in some good videos first goalkeeper has been Curkovic.. :? I've watched full match against East Germany just couple months after WC 62 and Soskic looked pretty solid and reliable in that match.

1962 Friendly - East Germany v. Yugoslavia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... u.be&t=311 - pretty easy saves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... u.be&t=994 - not so secure leaving goal line, btw. he had serious trouble in catching balls even when he needed make simple save.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... .be&t=1519 - nice reaction and good save with his leg..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... .be&t=1576 - most serious save in the match and good cleaning ball to the corner..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... .be&t=2021 - leaving goal line and secure catching the ball from the cross..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aNo-c ... .be&t=2710 - 1-1 situation where he mostly was always faster from opponent and has knew good react throwing away in opponent legs..

1964 (October 25) Hungary 2-Yugoslavia 1 (Friendly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHDfEOJ ... tu.be&t=20 - here we can see his bad reaction and positioning on the cross, it isn't first time that he has knew make this kind of mistake, in some above mentioned videos we could saw same thing.

Well, I've tried with VUKDS to realize his stats and his first set for him seems pretty good. His defensive positioning were his main weakness, and lot of goals what he received are thanks to his bad descision what to do in right time. We've realized that in his case GKS must be over DEF although he hasn't been so secure in making saves. I don't know but when he needed to make serious save he always had some numbness on the ball and didn't left impression as keeper who knew on which way saves his goal. So DEF 87 with GKS 88 seems fair in his case with RES 91. This were his main weapon, we could saw in those save with his leg where he showed pretty good reaction, generally he possessed innate tendency for fast reactions. We could agree with vinnie concerning AGI, he was fast keeper with already mentioned good rections but he was little bit stiff in movements and didn't showed softness during reaction on the saves. MEN could stay on 88 as I already explained his will power on the field and out of field. He had some serious knee injury and the way on which he came back to the football were really impressive for the time of the 60's..

This is our full set for now.

Spoiler: show
Attack: 30
Defence: 87
Balance: 78
Stamina: 69
Top Speed: 72
Acceleration: 70
Response: 91
Agility: 81
Dribble Accuracy: 52
Dribble Speed: 54
Short Pass Accuracy: 56
Short Pass Speed: 60
Long Pass Accuracy: 63
Long Pass Speed: 68
Shot Accuracy: 46
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 47
Free Kick Accuracy: 45
Curling: 47
Header: 48
Jump: 86
Technique: 54
Aggression: 69
Mentality: 88
Goalkeeper Skills: 88
Team Work: 76

Injury Tolerance: B
Form: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Growth Type: Standard/Lasting

CARDS:
S12 - 1-on-1 Keeper

SPECIAL ABILITIES: ★ 1-on-1 Stopper

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: DEF
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby Moysís » 2017 Jul 27, 17:51

You can update this thread as well, since we've already realized main stats..
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby Albo7 » 2017 Jul 28, 14:15

Sure, updated.
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Re: Milutin Šoškić | 1962-1968

Postby VUKDS » 2017 Aug 04, 03:25



I've made a short compilation of his videos. By the way, his Height still needs to be changed to 182 cm.

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