Jaap Stam | 1998-1999

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Jaap Stam | 1998-1999

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 14, 02:48

Nickname: "The rock of Kampen"

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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Possibly Fergie's best defensive aquisition since Steve Bruce, Jaap Stam was a central defender who was calm, and possessed excellent positional skills and tackling ability, yet he was also blessed with pace and power too. Sadly back then Jaap had no idea about the existence of the left foot, something he only really noticed whilst he was at AC Milan, plus he was a bit inconsistent for a world class CB. But not that inconsistent. :P

Regardless, he was without doubt the rock at the heart of a solid United defence.


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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby Fides » 2008 Dec 14, 10:50

His heading wasnt really special, for a player with his length and balance he really scored not much.
I would lower his technique to 72/73 too, but I think he was a bit faster in his prime.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby Vandeach » 2008 Dec 14, 20:09

I feel Response could come down to an 86 his positoning was really his main strength and his reading of the game and timing of tackles could be lackluster at times.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 19, 09:46

How about this

Defence: 94
Balance: 96

Header: 85
Response: 86

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby choccy » 2009 Feb 01, 13:18

TheTrueSeto wrote:How about this

Defence: 94
Balance: 96

Header: 85
Response: 86


I remember Carew in his Valencia days giving Stam quite a ride in terms of physical duels, IMO 95 is max. His height adds to the value so I wouldn't be opposed to bring it down with one point actually.

Also I think his TS was quite good, something like 82 would be fair IMO. But in case anyone agrees with that I think his ACC could come down a point or two. He had quite a few kilos to put into motion.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Mar 01, 15:52

shot power must go on around god region! i say 95

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 30, 00:31

Also I think his TS was quite good, something like 82 would be fair IMO. But in case anyone agrees with that I think his ACC could come down a point or two. He had quite a few kilos to put into motion.


i'm not shure about raising top speed, maybe ur right, he could sprint to catch some not so fast guys. Anyway the point is accelaration coming down, totally agree, this guy was a train, he took some time to reach full speed, so i propose acelaration: 75, max.

also agree with lowering header

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jun 20, 10:51

Need a more solid defence?

There's a Jaap for that :oops:.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998/1999

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Jun 20, 10:59

Vandeach wrote:Need a more solid defence?

There's a Jaap for that :oops:.


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Anywho, 95 BB IS the max. As for defence; Jaap wasn't as impenetrable as people say, (His presence was missed, however) and I don't rate him as better than Hyypia and Vidic, neither of whom have 90 for DEF. 93 is awfully awfully kind for a player who used his strength more than his awareness and positioning.. Agree to raising TS, because he did have the power to recover.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Brezza » 2010 Feb 18, 18:27

Updated format/Cards

Also Made some changes based on the suggestions in this thread:

Technique 76 < 75

Header: 87< 85

Defence: 93 < 90 I think that his strength played more of a key role just like Desailly, he just brushed every player aside and commanded so much respect, 8-) he could be a bit foul prone though just like Vidic which is why his defence hasn't been raised from 89 to the dismay of Fanboys around the world, his positioning was better than him though I just think he could be a bit too inconsistant at time to have a 93, moreover there is too much of a gap between him and Hyppia/Vidic Terry Rio etc.

Response: 88< 86 I think Vidic reacts quickly and was a better reader despite being slower , I wouldn't say that he always times his challenges better but i would say he tackles more frequently ... which could be more of a mentality thing but whatever .

Top speed 80 > 82
Really Deceptively fast at times despite being a Colossus. look at his little race with Alexander Zickler in the 99 Champs league final for example.H was pretty rapid once he got going - before he did his achilles

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Classical » 2010 Feb 18, 20:51

Good spot on the defence value, lads.

Agree.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Phil » 2010 Mar 21, 15:07

Could agility not be raised slightly ? I know he's a tank but I think he could be equal to Sol Campbell on 72. A few values could be standardised too. What a machine this guy was, just look at his face in the pic :lol: you wouldn't want to meet him down a dark alley.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 May 20, 21:30

Updated Condition: 7>8. He played 50 games for Manchester United during 1998-1999 season + 4 games for the Netherlands (in 1999) and another 14 games (in 1998).

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Phil » 2010 May 24, 21:35

Couldn't mentality be higher, the guy was very, very aggressive in the tackle and would often charge at players like a mad man. Plus he was a great competitor and would fight untill the very last minute with the same tenacity as in the first. I was thinking it could be high 80's, I don't think Vidic was much better than Jaap in this imo.

DA seems a little low to me as well, although he looked a little awkward on the ball at times I think it was more to do with his agility and he was actually not that bad on the ball, 72 on par with Senderos is more than fair imo. DS could come up to something like 75, he would at times go on powerful surges upfield with the ball whilst at Man U and could maintain a decent speed, although I think he did this more so at PSV.

Also I never really noticed a lack of communication with Stam, but I might be wrong, is TW right ?

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Fides » 2010 May 24, 22:35

Top Speed: 84
Dribble Accuracy: 72
Dribble Speed: 74
Short Pass Accuracy: 74
Short Pass Speed: 75
Long Pass Accuracy: 75
Long Pass Speed: 74
Shot Power: 89
Header: 80 (Wasnt such a good header)
Mentality/Tenacity: 88
Team Work: 84

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Brezza » 2011 Mar 31, 15:21

Updated with suggestions by phil-g2006 and Fides not sure about the header decrease though :? might come back to that maybe didnt score enough of them

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Fides » 2011 Mar 31, 16:53

Well, offensively his heading was quite bad. I think he scored only 1 goals with his head in I-dunno-how-many caps.....and that for somebody his size. Players like Mathijsen, Heitinga and F. De Boer who are 10 cm shorter and way weaker are/were better with their heads.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby nirvana512 » 2011 Dec 23, 06:14

maybe his another peak era is in Lazio, CB/SB

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby Souness » 2012 Apr 20, 11:31

I know he looks kind of awkward because of his huge frame, but as Brezza pointed out 2 years ago, he was faster than you might think. I was at Camp Nou watching the 2005-2006 semifinals between FC Barcelona and AC Milan. To my surprise, he played right back because Nesta and Kaladze were the established CBs and I was stunned at his display of power and pace. You see, I remember none other than Ronaldinho struggling to keep up with him during several runs up the right flank. And Stam was actually dribbling, not running off the ball.

Dribbling speed could be upgraded, then.

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Re: Jaap STAM | 1998-1999

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 22, 17:21

I think his speed stats are fine. Hes level with Dinho anyways, I guess i'll give him 85. He could have higher DS, but nothing crazy. Also I've given him 95 DEF.. I don't know why he only had a 90.. but it's a joke tbh. This guy was one of the best defenders I've ever seen. He wasn't just some brute force player, he was pure class.

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