Johan Cruyff | 1969-1974

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Johan Cruyff | 1969-1974

Postby Plava Čigra » 2008 Dec 11, 01:47

The best European Footballer of the 20th Century

Nickname: *Pythagoras in boots*

Club: AFC Ajax (1969/1974) | FC Barcelona (1974)



Growth type: Early/Lasting


INFO:

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Hendrik Johannes Cruijff (born 25 April 1947), commonly known as Johan Cruyff, is a former Dutch footballer and manager. He was named European Footballer of the Year three times (1971, 1973, 1974) which is a record jointly held with Michel Platini, and Marco van Basten. Cruyff was the most famous exponent of the football philosophy known as Total Football, explored by Rinus Michels and is widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time.

After his retirement from playing in 1984, Cruyff became highly successful as manager of Ajax and later Barcelona; he remains an influential advisor to both clubs. His son, Jordi, also went on to play football professionally.

In 1999, Cruyff was voted European Player of the Century in an election held by the IFFHS, and came second behind Pelé in their World Player of the Century poll. He came third in a vote organised by the French weekly magazine France Football consulting their former Ballon d'Or winners to elect their Football Player of the Century.

On 2 November 2009 Cruyff was named as the head coach of the Catalonia national football team in place of Pere Gratacòs. This is the first coaching job in the last thirteen years.


Style of play

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Through his career, Cruyff became synonymous with the playing style of "Total Football". It is a system where a player who moves out of his position is replaced by another from his team, thus allowing the team to retain their intended organizational structure. In this fluid system no footballer is fixed in their intended outfield role; anyone can be successively an attacker, a midfielder and a defender. The style was honed by Ajax coach Rinus Michels around the time Cruyff came to prominence.

Strictly speaking, Cruyff played centre forward in this system. But he would drop deep to confuse his markers or suddenly move to the wing with devastating effect. No one had seen a centre forward like that before. Due to the way Cruyff played his game he is still referred to as "the total footballer."

Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded. The sports writer David Miller believed Cruyff superior to any previous player in his ability to extract the most from others. He dubbed him "Pythagoras in boots" for the complexity and precision of his angled passes and wrote: "Few have been able to exact, both physically and mentally, such mesmeric control on a match from one penalty area to another."

Cruyff also perfected a move now known as the "Cruyff Turn." To do this move, Cruyff would look to pass or cross the ball. However, instead of kicking it, he would drag the ball behind his planted foot with the inside of his other foot and turn through 180 degrees and accelerate away outside a defender.


Club career

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Cruyff played for Ajax, Barcelona, Los Angeles Aztecs, Washington Diplomats, Levante, and Feyenoord during his career.

AFC Ajax
Cruyff joined Ajax youth system on his 10th birthday. He made his first team debut on 15 November 1964 in the Eredivisie, against Groningen, scoring the only goal for Ajax in a 3–1 defeat. That year Ajax finished in their lowest position since the establishment of professional football, 13th. Cruyff really started to make an impression in the 1965–66 season. Cruyff established himself as a regular first team player after scoring two goals against Door Wilskracht Sterk in the Olympic stadion on 24 October 1965 (in a 2–0 victory). In the seven games that winter he scored eight times and in March 1966 he scored the first three goals in a league game against Telstar (6–2 win). Four days later, in a cup game against BV Veendam (7–0 win), he scored four goals. In total that season, Cruyff scored 25 goals in 23 games, and Ajax won the league championship.

In the 1966-1967 season, Ajax again won the league championship, but also won the KNVB Cup, for Cruyff's first "double." Cruyff ended the season as the leading goalscorer in the Eredivisie with 33.

Cruyff won the league for the third successive year in the 1967–68 season. He was also named Dutch footballer of the year for the second successive time, a feat he would repeat in 1969. On 28 May 1969, Cruyff played in his first European Cup final against AC Milan, but the Italian team ended up winning 4-1.

In the 1969–70 season, Cruyff won his second league and cup "double," but at the beginning of the 1970-1971 season, Cruyff suffered a long-term groin injury. He made his comeback on 30 October 1970 against PSV. In this game, he did not wear his usual number 9, which was in use by Gerrie Mühren, but instead used number 14. Ajax won the game 1–0. Although it was very uncommon in those days for the starters of a game not to play with numbers 1 to 11, from that moment onwards, Cruyff's number was 14, even using the number with the Dutch national team. There has even been a documentary on Cruyff titled Nummer 14 Johan Cruyff and in his native Holland there is a magazine by Voetbal International titled "Nummer 14".

In a league game against AZ '67 on 29 November 1970, Cruyff scored no less than six goals in an 8–1 victory. After winning a replayed KNVB Cup final against Sparta Rotterdam by a score of 2–1, Ajax won in Europe for the first time. On 2 June 1971, in London, Ajax won the European Cup by defeating Panathinaikos 2–0. In spite of speculation that Cruyff would move to another club (Feyenoord and Barcelona were interested) on 12 July 1971, he signed a seven-year contract at Ajax. At the end of the season, he became not only the Dutch, but also the European Footballer of the Year for 1971.

1972 was a particular successful year for Ajax and Cruyff. Ajax won a second European Cup, beating Internazionale 2–0 in the final, with Cruyff scoring both goals. This victory prompted Dutch newspapers to announce the demise of the Italian style of defensive football in the face of Total Football. Soccer: The Ultimate Encyclopaedia says: "Single-handed, Cruyff not only pulled Internazionale of Italy apart in the 1972 European Cup Final, but scored both goals in Ajax's 2–0 win." Cruyff also scored in the 3–2 victory over ADO Den Haag in the KNVB Cup final. In the league, Cruyff was the top scorer with 25 goals as Ajax became champions. In the autumn, Ajax won the Intercontinental Cup, beating Argentina's Independiente (1–1 and 3–0) and then in January 1973, they won the European Super Cup by beating Rangers 3–1 away and 3–2 in Amsterdam. Curiously, Cruyff's only own goal came on 20 August 1972 against FC Amsterdam. A week later, against Go Ahead Eagles (6–0), Cruyff scored four times for Ajax. The 1972–73 season was concluded with the another league championship victory and a third successive Europe Cup (Ajax — Juventus 1–0).

In the summer of 1973, Cruyff was sold to Barcelona for 6 million guilder (approx. US$ 2 million, circa 1973). On 19 August 1973, he played his last match for Ajax (Ajax — FC Amsterdam 6–1), the 2nd match of the 1973–74 season.

FC Barcelona
At Barcelona, Cruyff quickly won over the Barça fans when he told the European press he chose Barça over Real Madrid because he could not play for a club associated with the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco. He further endeared himself when he chose a Catalan name Jordi for his son. He helped the club win La Liga for the first time since 1960, along the way defeating Real Madrid 5–0 at their home of Bernabéu. He was also crowned European Footballer of the Year.

During his time at Barcelona, Cruyff scored one of his most famous goals, The 'Phantom' Goal. In a game against Atlético de Madrid, Cruyff leapt into the air, twisted his body so he was facing away from the goal, and kicked the ball past Miguel Reina in the Atlético Madrid goal with his right heel (the ball was at about neck height and had already traveled wide of the far post). The goal was featured in the documentary En un momento dado, in which fans of Cruyff attempted to recreate that moment. The goal has been dubbed Le but impossible de Cruyff (Cruyff's impossible goal).[citation needed]

Note that Cruyff played two games with Paris Saint-Germain in 1975 during the Paris tournament. On loan from Barcelona to 10,000,000 francs, it was unfortunately booed by the Parc des Princes in its output when the defeat of the french club against Valencia. The Dutch player had only agreed because he was a fan of designer Daniel Hechter, who was then president of PSG.

United States
At the age of 32, he signed a lucrative deal with the Los Angeles Aztecs of the North American Soccer League (NASL). He had previously been rumored to be joining the New York Cosmos but the deal did not materialize. However, he did play exhibition games for the Cosmos. He stayed at the Aztecs for only one season, but was voted NASL Player of the Year in that time. The following season he moved to play for the Washington Diplomats; he played the whole 1980 campaign for Washington, leaving soon after the start of the 1981 season.

Back in the Netherlands
After his spell in the USA and a short-lived stay at UD Levante in Spain, Cruyff returned to play in his homeland, rejoining Ajax on 30 November 1980 as "technical advisor" of trainer Leo Beenhakker, Ajax being 8th in the ranking of the table of the Dutch League then after 13 games. Ajax would finish 2nd in 1980–81 in June 1981 after 34 games. In January 1981, Cruyff played three friendly matches for DS'79 from Dordrecht. In March 1981, Cruyff started to play for Levante, a Spanish 2nd Division club. The club did not keep the financial agreements, however. In May 1981, Cruyff played as a guest player for AC Milan, in a tournament, but was injured. As a result, he missed almost all of the entire American soccer season thereafter. In December 1981, Cruyff signed a new contract as player for Ajax. His already since November 1980 expected return was on December 6, 1981 against Haarlem (4–1 home win), Cruyff scored the first goal. In the 1981–82 and 1982–83 seasons, Ajax, along with Cruyff, became league champions. In the 1982–83 season, Ajax also won the Dutch Cup (KNVB-Beker). One notable incident from this era was a famous goal he scored against Helmond Sport in 1982 while playing for Ajax. Cruyff scored a penalty the same way Rik Coppens had already done it 25 years earlier. He put the ball down as for a routine penalty kick, but instead of shooting at goal, Cruyff nudged the ball sideways to his Ajax teammate Jesper Olsen who in return passed it back to Cruyff who tapped the ball into the empty net, as Otto Versfeld, the bemused Helmond goalkeeper, looked on. At the end of the 1982–83 season, Ajax decided not to offer Cruyff a new contract. This angered Cruyff, who responded by signing for Ajax's archrivals Feyenoord. Cruyff's season at Feyenoord was a successful one in which the club won the Eredivisie for the first time in a decade, part of a league and cup double.


International career

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As a Dutch international, Cruyff, played 48 matches, scoring 33 goals. In his second Dutch national team match, a friendly against Czechoslovakia, Cruyff was the first Dutch international to receive a red card. He received a one-year suspension from the Dutch KNVB.

Accusations of Cruyff's "aloofness" were not rebuffed by his habit of wearing a shirt with only two black stripes along the sleeves, as opposed to Adidas' usual design feature of three, worn by all the other Dutch players. Cruyff, however, had a separate sponsorship deal with Puma.

Cruyff led the Netherlands to a runners-up medal in the 1974 FIFA World Cup and was named the player of the tournament. Thanks to his team's mastery of Total Football, they coasted all the way to the final, knocking out Argentina (4–0), East Germany (2–0), and Brazil (2–0) along the way. Cruyff himself scored twice against Argentina in one of his team's most dominating performances, then he scored the second goal against Brazil to knock out the defending champions. The Netherlands faced hosts West Germany in the final. Cruyff kicked off and the ball was passed around the Oranje team 13 times before returning to Cruyff, who then went on a rush that eluded Berti Vogts and ended when he was fouled by Uli Hoeneß inside the box. Teammate Johan Neeskens scored from the spot kick to give the Netherlands a 1–0 lead, and the Germans had not even touched the ball. Only during the latter half of the final was his playmaking influence stifled by the effective marking of Berti Vogts, while Franz Beckenbauer, Uli Hoeneß, and Wolfgang Overath dominated the midfield, enabling West Germany to win 2–1. Cruyff received a yellow card during half time for talking to the referee.

Cruyff retired from international football in October 1977, having helped the national team qualify for the upcoming World Cup. Without him, the Netherlands finished runners-up in the World Cup again. Initially the reason given for missing the 1978 FIFA World Cup were political reasons given a military dictatorship was in power in Argentina at that time. In 2008, however, Cruyff stated to the journalist Antoni Bassas in Catalunya Ràdio, that he and his family were involved in a kidnap attempt in Barcelona a year before the tournament, and that this had caused his retirement. "To play a World Cup you have to be 200%, there are moments when there are other values in life."


HONOURS

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World Cup: Runners Up (1974) :'(
European Cup: 3 times winner (1971, 1972, 1973)
Intercontinental Cup: Winner (1972)
Eredivisie: 9 times winner (1966, 1967, 1968, 1970. 1972, 1973, 1982, 1983, 1984)
Dutch Cup: 6 times winner (1967, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1983, 1984)
La Liga: Winner (1974)
Copa del Rey: Winner (1978)

European Footballer of the Year: 3 times winner (1971, 1973, 1974)
Eredivisie Topscorer: 2 times (1967, 1972)


VIDEOS:

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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cruyff

http://www.planetworldcup.com/LEGENDS/cruyff.html

http://www.ifhof.com/hof/cruyff.asp

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

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Important Discussion/Suggestions:

T-rex Posted: Jul 19 2008, 02:14 PM wrote:His defence was absolutely higher than that and there was many proves from what I could saw of him he can defend comfortably like a regular in defence even in the back lines of the field
I would stick it to 67-69 range like Di stifano and will post videos very soon ;)
And stamina very high 80s to the low 90s will be perfect for him :rolleyes:

Here is a simple video for anyone who appreciates football, clearly shown what he could do in defence with his positioning and tackles ;)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-M2_BJcCtH...vs_real_madrid/


NFFC Posted: Jul 21 2008, 04:01 PM wrote:After watching that video Cruyff is possibly the best player I've ever seen :ph43r: And all the highlights were taken from that one match. Normally to make a player look good you have to take there best parts from the last couple of years but Cruyff displayed world class examples of everything in that one match.
With regards to the stats I'd say balance should be about 80, acceleration 95-96 and top speed 89-90.


T-rex Posted: Jul 21 2008, 05:58 PM wrote:Yeah, he is the best in Europe history :rolleyes:
Although, disagreed with you about decreasing his balance, speed and acceleration cuz u should see more videos for him showing these abilities clearly

Suggestions:
67 for defence
90 for stamina
85 for mentality


Uzair Posted: Nov 21 2008, 10:28 PM wrote:is 94 for attack a coupla points too high maybe??? :unsure:


p1rha Posted: Nov 22 2008, 05:44 AM wrote:I think he deserves winger, his main position was more of a left winger than a center foward.


Oriello Posted: Nov 29 2008, 04:44 AM wrote:I do not know how he played at Ajax or even Barcelona, but 1974 for the Netherlands, he was more of a SS, licenced to float anywhere he sought feasible, but tended to go to the left hand side more often. Rensenbrink was the true striker-type of forward but was actually lined up as a Left winger in place of Keizer. Rep was the only legitimate winger, on the right, but even he was such a good shot that there was basically three goals scoring threats upfront rather than a single central outlet, contrasted to a Drogba flanked by Cole and Malouda set-up.

He could have the position, but I do not think he played as an outright winger for the Netherlands, that is occupying his time with floating in crosses from out wide. Maybe at Ajax or Barca he did? :unsure:

It is also very difficult to replicate his movemnts in PES, I have been at that Classic Netherlands formation for ages, you can only get him to do so much :(.

T-rex Posted: Jul 21 2008, 05:58 PM wrote:Yeah, he is the best in Europe history :rolleyes:
Although, disagreed with you about decreasing his balance, speed and acceleration cuz u should see more videos for him showing these abilities clearly

Suggestions:
67 for defence
90 for stamina
85 for mentality

I think I can agree to the 67 for Defence, despite not actually playing as a DMF or CMF as Di Stefano did, I think he was very much one of the most well rounded footballers ever, and indeed if Beckenbauer can have such a high ratio in Defence to Attack, then I think Cruijff may be raised to reflect his understanding and execution of the game.

Not sure on a 90 for stamina, even though he tires quicker in the game due to his speed and high mentality, I am unsure if Cruijff was this full of running, I would go for a slight increase to 87-88 though.

Mentality I think is fine at 82, he was not that hungry when defending I think, even though the Dutch team sometimes went completely mad in unison, and were like a pack of ravenous dogs until they got the ball back :lol: .


p1rha Posted: Nov 29 2008, 05:20 PM wrote:This guy is simply unbeatble, and the last thing u'll wanna do is to play for the team. i agree with the speed, but some other things are overated. As for konami having given all positions to cruyff, maybe it as some influence we don´t tottaly understand. And technique 98 for god's sake, just 1 point below maradona !!!

I do not know how he played at Ajax or even Barcelona, but 1974 for the Netherlands, he was more of a SS, licenced to float anywhere he sought feasible, but tended to go to the left hand side more often. Rensenbrink was the true striker-type of forward but was actually lined up as a Left winger in place of Keizer. Rep was the only legitimate winger, on the right, but even he was such a good shot that there was basically three goals scoring threats upfront rather than a single central outlet, contrasted to a Drogba flanked by Cole and Malouda set-up.


*side then maybe?...


Oriello Posted: Nov 29 2008, 07:01 PM wrote:Yes I could agree to *Side, that is what my OF has :P Sould have noticed the difference.

p1rha,Nov 29 2008,05:20 PM wrote:And technique 98 for god's sake, just 1 point below maradona !!!


Just because he is not from South America he does not deserve good technique!!??? :angry: ;) :P :lol: If we lower Cruijff to even 97, then he will be on the level of Meazza or Sindelaar, both of whom had easier times controlling leather balls of the 30's, while Cruijff was dealing with the 'new' football the one closer to what modern footballs are like, light and unpredictacble. Also remeber that at 95+ the scale becomes exponetial, and each value is greater than a one point diffrence, so the diffrence between Maradona and Cruijff is more like 2-3 actual points as far as the PES game engine is concerned.

It was a bigger injustice when Maradona was rated at only 98, before the recent update ;) .


p1rha Posted: Nov 30 2008, 09:38 PM wrote:still i don´t agree... what's so great about his foot skill was his dribble, not the traping of the ball imo


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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

Postby CDDRodrigo » 2009 Mar 24, 01:30

After seeing and reseeing the videos, I suggest Top Speed 94-95.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

Postby Oriello » 2009 Mar 31, 17:37

I think the 93 is correctly rated, if Cruijff went to these values than Lato would need to be 95-96, which would proably overrate him.

Cruijff was about near instantaneous Acceleration and Agility that threw second guessing defenders left and right off balance, on pure speed I think he is already in the top bracket that he can acheive/ be rated at.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 May 08, 16:45

I can't find his Injury Tolerance (I think it should be B status because of his long-term injury in Ajax). Maybe somebody should fix that?

As many people said, his Defence should go up (between 65-69 maybe). Maybe a star (Special Ability) on Covering? Also he could play as CMF due to the fact that during matches he often goes to that position (or to DMF) in order to confuse players from other team and organize attack. I think CMF position for sure (DMF optional). What do you think about this?

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

Postby Immanuel Kantona » 2009 May 22, 17:50

Correct me if I'm wrong but attack dictates how well a player moves, doesn't it? If so then Cruijff deserves at least a 96, and this will help balance out any increase in his defence (which should probably be at least 61-62)

I'd argue that he was slightly slower than this. For me TS should be 88-89, and response should go up to 93-94. The speed of his passes should maybe be brought down a few points and he should have the DF Positioning/Lines SA. I also think that the Post player ability would help to replicate his way of playing; dropping into midfield to get others involved, and he definitely need the Side ability: drifting wide and cutting in was his trademark.

To be honest though this is just the impression I have from stuff like BBC World Cup/Euro games and a few games in the Champions League for Ajax. The rest of my knowledge is from articles and highlight reels, so I'm never sure how much to trust that. But he was certainly one of the truly great players.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974/1975

Postby Jokeer » 2009 Jul 24, 22:03

NightCaller3 wrote:[...] Maybe a star (Special Ability) on Covering? Also he could play as CMF due to the fact that during matches he often goes to that position (or to DMF) in order to confuse players from other team and organize attack. I think CMF position for sure (DMF optional). What do you think about this?


I'm agree to add the Special Ability "Covering" and CMF & DMF position because in many videos, Cruyff came to help his team in the center of the field.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Jul 24, 23:22

Look at this Ajax formation from 1971 ECC Finals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_European_Cup_Final

Cruyff has started that game as CMF. Off course, if that wikipedia page is reliable source.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby as_10 » 2009 Sep 02, 23:00

Which IT should he have? :?

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Brezza » 2009 Sep 06, 23:12

Added 81-84 era

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Rubedo » 2009 Sep 08, 13:43

I'd suggest some stuff, actually, more like support some suggestions from before:

DEF: Low 60s.
STA: 88.
RES: 91, maybe 92?
MEN: 83 or 84. Preferably 84.

*Side.

I'd also like to know what the others think about increasing his ACC to 98, maybe even 99? As Oriello pointed out, he had near instantaneous acceleration. Also, about increasing his DS to 98? Keep in mind that these two are not my official suggestions, I'd just like to know what people think about them.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Classical » 2009 Oct 18, 12:00

Those increasings could have some logic if to emulate his superior mental awareness which he had for sure

Acc I am not sure about 99/98 but I can say I would put him higher than 90. At least 94 there. The stamina part also has logic to increase since he was playing every game at that amazing pace which means he deserves more than 80.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Fides » 2009 Oct 18, 12:50

Where do those second generation stats come from? Because I am not sure they make too much sense.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Classical » 2009 Oct 18, 16:12

sorry abouth the acc part, I was reading the incorrect numbers. I am not sure about 99 on that let me say again :p

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bah I was reading all the way the old cruyff. my bad

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975 & 1981-1984

Postby Uzair » 2009 Nov 18, 22:19

i think someone should clean up the format of these stats so they look like the others in the classic section. looks a bit odd atm.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Brezza » 2009 Nov 19, 21:39

Gave him a format update and deleted the other unnecessary set of stats. I would of given him more Player cards but there's a limit of 10 isnt there? :?

I agree that his A/D ration could be tweaked. And that Teamwork could be the highest in the database with Di Stefano.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Ace » 2009 Nov 19, 22:17

if i'm not wrong the max is 11, but with wild@'s editor all it's possible ;)

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Steveh15 » 2009 Nov 20, 16:19

I'd like to suggest 99 for Teamwork, I know 95 is already god like and maybe 4 points won't make that much different but I think if one player in the work deserves full team world then it's Cruijff.

From what I've read and seen, Cruijff was the ultimate General on the pitch. At Ajax he was responsible for organizing the Total football on the pitch, and started doing so from a young age. Although he didn't become captain until quite late in his career there, people say that even in his teens he was the leader and main organizer on the pitch. He liked to constantly adjust the position of his team mates, telling them to stand a few yards to the left or right and telling them when to make their runs and pases. That actually caused a bit of friction between him and his younger team mates since he himself was allowed so much creative freedom but his team mates weren't. Considering the style of football that team played is legendary for the precise team understanding and coordination and Cruijff was responsible for organizing that, I think he could make a case for being given the highest value possible
Also I imagine having a positive effect on the team was part of the reason he had such a strong effect at Barcelona. Weren't they bottom of the table when he showed up, and then he lead them to league title within one season?

Anyway just a suggestion, I know it might not make that much difference but it's sort an academic argument ( that's probably completely wrong cause me know nothing) :D
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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Sui Generis » 2009 Dec 08, 13:48

wow i cant believe you would even suggest such a ridiculously # for team work, like come on bro, he is already overrated as it is.. Like i doubt anyone here even saw this man play in real life during the 70s, live or on television. He was playing 40 years ago, so i doubt these ratings are very accurate, or maybe they are purposefully blown out of proportion. But in anycase, you guys are doing exactly what this site criticizes, rating him strictly off youtube vids :? ..

Yes we need to respect him because he was one of the greatest, but these stats are ridiculous and i hope no one takes them too seriously..

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1974-1975

Postby Akron » 2009 Dec 08, 14:23

Sui Generis wrote:wow i cant believe you would even suggest such a ridiculously # for team work, like come on bro, he is already overrated as it is.. Like i doubt anyone here even saw this man play in real life during the 70s, live or on television. He was playing 40 years ago, so i doubt these ratings are very accurate, or maybe they are purposefully blown out of proportion. But in anycase, you guys are doing exactly what this site criticizes, rating him strictly off youtube vids :? ..

Yes we need to respect him because he was one of the greatest, but these stats are ridiculous and i hope no one takes them too seriously..

I dont see that stats so ridiculous as you man, cause Johan Cruyff was the central piece of the total footbal in the Mechanic Orange.

I would like TW: 97 - 98

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