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Postby PES Stats Database » 2012 Jul 18, 16:55

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Odi1981 » 2012 Jul 19, 00:34

18 years old 79 DEF? He is 83 speed?

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby rafzin » 2012 Jul 19, 01:40

IMO is better give injury B for him, although I never see him injured but I think is better on this time.
Maybe a green mentality could be discussed, remember the game against fluminense (Copa São Paulo) i know that is not a first team competition but he give your life and your blood on this match seems reasonable give 76 or even 77.
Odi1981 wrote:18 years old 79 DEF? He is 83 speed?

He is really deserve, his tackles is clean to deserve this, and his positioning is good at least to deserve 79.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Luizinho94 » 2012 Jul 22, 00:20

I think it is a little overrated in DEF and RES for a young player, it is better wait he has an sequence of games and turn a starting player to put him with good values​​. I suggest DEF 76 and RES 79.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Anders » 2012 Jul 27, 21:39

What difference it makes if he has 18 or 38? He is good enough to deserve this; this guy will be one the best CB in Brazil in some years. This guy is a little beast, he is complete clean and he can't rely on strength like the other defenders, he is extreme responsive and play in a very aggressive way; always anticipating, he is more responsive than Castan for example.
I was pretty conservative with him, he is probably is overall better than this on nearly everything, he probably is both footed, better passer and maybe even deserve some better overall defensive stats(DEF and RES), the only thing I wasn’t conservative was on his physical stats even because they are his main qualities, bar BB and aerial combats.

rafzin wrote:IMO is better give injury B for him, although I never see him injured but I think is better on this time.
Maybe a green mentality could be discussed, remember the game against fluminense (Copa São Paulo) i know that is not a first team competition but he give your life and your blood on this match seems reasonable give 76 or even 77.

You can update his injury tolerance with you want, probably too early to give him an A. But disagree with mentality, he has a good mentality for a young player, generally young players have bad mentality, as they aren't so experienced to deal with some adversity moments. Would like to wait before give him a higher value and one important thing I don't think mentality mean "Raça" or Konami would have a lot of players with higher mentality.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby rafzin » 2012 Jul 27, 22:21

You do not understand me, what I want say is even tired Marquinhos still on a good level and still running.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Anders » 2012 Jul 28, 00:54

I get it now. I would wait a little more as I rarely see him getting tired, except when he plays as DMF and is mentality didn't look so impressive.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Odi1981 » 2012 Jul 28, 17:16

How many matches he has as a professional? This here is just a promise ...

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby rafzin » 2012 Jul 28, 17:30

14 matches.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Luizinho94 » 2012 Jul 29, 00:00

I understand your point, but I still think it is too early to give him those values​​. The only good teams he played against were Santos, Flumimense, Gremio and Palmeiras, and the last was the reserve team. He is a very promising kid but I'd expect him to have more sequences against big teams and demonstrate his potential.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby rafzin » 2012 Jul 29, 00:44

Oh jesus, I must have peed on the cross. The age don't say what value a player deserve or not.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Luizinho94 » 2012 Jul 29, 20:03

I'm not talking just by age but by the number of matches he did and the majority were against weak teams. And this Brasileirão he still hasn't done a match so good.

But I don't wanna be here discussing, so for me it ends here. You won't change your mind and not me. Do what you think best. :)

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Defo » 2012 Aug 12, 00:52

Anders wrote:he probably is both footed.


It definetely looks like he is, at least from YT videos.

Anders could you make a "non conservative set" of this guy on your ASS's thread? I'd like to see your real opinion on him, without being pent-up by the classic "he is young, let's wait before blah blah blah" kind of reasoning.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Anders » 2012 Aug 17, 23:02

Don't think it needs, I mainly touch just unnecessary things.
Heard that he is going to be loaned to Roma btw.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby Defo » 2012 Aug 21, 20:43

Anders wrote:Don't think it needs, I mainly touch just unnecessary things.
Heard that he is going to be loaned to Roma btw.


Yeah, official now. Moving him.

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Re: MARQUINHOS

Postby crisfar » 2012 Nov 23, 15:13

Nice surprise despite his young age, always very concentrate and good def skills-res, I thought it was too soon to let him play in Serie A but I was wrong...set looks quite good, I would not raise yet DEF value and Res is already a good value for now maybe DA+DS is better, he is fast, TS value though at 83 can be sufficient I would only raise EXP power for now to 79-80 he looked more agile and with a good acc (being disappeared this one in last versions I usually touch EP that infulence also acc besides agility for me)...

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Re: Marquinhos

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Dec 10, 13:43

He's really but really fast, good at coverings and solid at marking, I like him more than Castán by moments. Imo his teamwork isn't really good or at least he is way too much aggresive by times. But I recall his speed, is just insane and his acceleration too.

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Re: Marquinhos

Postby crisfar » 2012 Dec 10, 14:24

Yes he is incredibly fast he contained Cuadrado a few times, he even looked faster tahn him, I would say he can be around 86, and at this stage def at 80 would not be out of this world...

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Re: Marquinhos

Postby crisfar » 2012 Dec 18, 14:27

Updated ts plus some other tweaks here and there...

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Re: Marquinhos

Postby fahmi_romanisti » 2012 Dec 21, 06:01

i'm alawys watching him and he is veri impressing me
even e's young he's very good cb, i dunno if burdisso who partnering castan maybe as roma will conceade more goals

i thing that stat must be :

Defence: 84
Header Accuracy: 81 (he ocasionally block longpass and paralyzed their forward)
Dribble Accuracy: 75 (he's modern cb like a.luiz who comforbly to dribling)
Short Pass Accuracy: 77 (the zemaan's fast attaking's style need to pass quiqly and he's realy did good job of that )
Short Pass Speed: 75
Ball Control: 81 (even he's CB but from what i saw he's technicial modern defend, the ball's like magnet in his foot very calm & elegant )
Dribble Speed: 77
Body Balance: 81 (even he's skinny/thin he often winning the ball from opponent's strtiker)
Stamina: 84 (he is first team key player and he always play 90 min )
Jump: 83 (he often win aerial duel just like cannavaro)
Injury Tolerance: B (at now he's injury and misses against milan T-T)
Tenacity: 78
Teamwork: 75 (ocasionally make comunication error)

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