Pelé | 1961-1965 & 1969-1970

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Pelé | 1961-1965 & 1969-1970

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 19:17

- 1961-1965:

Nickname: *The King of Football* (*O Rei do Futebol*) | *The King Pelé* (*O Rei Pelé*) | *The King* (*O Rei*)

Club: Santos



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- 1969-1970:

Nickname: *The King of Football* (*O Rei do Futebol*) | *The King Pelé* (*O Rei Pelé*) | *The King* (*O Rei*)

Club: Santos



Growth type: Early/Lasting


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Edson Arantesdo Nascimento “Pele” is widely regarded as the greatest football in history of the game. Pelé began playing for Santos at 15 and his national team at 16, and won his first World Cup at 17. Despite numerous offers from European clubs, the economic conditions and Brazilian football regulations at the time benefited Santos, thus enabling them to keep him for almost two decades. Pelé played as an inside forward, striker, and what later became known as the playmaker position. Pelé's technique and natural athleticism have been universally praised and during his playing years he was renowned for his excellent dribbling and passing, his pace, powerful shot, exceptional heading ability, and prolific goalscoring. His explosive first step and feinting abilities gave defender nightmares, and his football imagination was equal to his impressive finishing skills. He is the all-time leading scorer of Brazil and is the only footballer to be a part of three World Cup-winning teams. In 1962 he was on the Brazilian squad at the start of the World Cup but because of an injury suffered in the second match, he wasn't able to play the remainder of the tournament. In 2007 FIFA announced that he would be awarded the 1962 medal retroactively. His career goals total of 1,280 in 1,324 games is secondly all-time record to Arthur Friedenriech.


HONOURS:

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Club
Santos:
Campeonato Paulista: 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969 and 1973
Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 1959, 1963 and 1964
Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa (Taça de Prata): 1968
Taça Brasil: 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1965
Copa Libertadores: 1962 and 1963
Intercontinental Cup: 1962 and 1963
South-American Recopa: 1968
New York Cosmos :
NASL Champions: 1977

Country
FIFA World Cup: 1958, 1962, 1970
Roca Cup: 1957, 1963
Copa O'Higgins: 1959
Copa Atlãntica: 1960

Individual
1958 FIFA World Cup Silver Ball
1970 FIFA World Cup Golden Ball
2 Times FIFA World Cup All Star Team (1958, 1970)
1970 BBC Sport Oversea Personality of The Year
1973 South American Footballer of The Year
1981 L’ Equipe Athlete of The Century
1994 France Football World Cup Best Player of All-Time
1994 FIFA World Cup All-Time Team
1997 Knight Commander of British Empire
1998 FIFA World Team of The Century
1999 Olympic Committee Athlete of The Century
1999 Reuters Athlete of The Century
1999 UNICEF Footballer Player of The Century
1999 France Football’s Football Player of The Century
1999 South American Player of The Century
1999 IFFHS Brazil Player of The Century
1999 IFFHS World Player of The Century
1999 World Soccer Greatest Player of The Century
2000 FIFA Player of The Century
2002 FIFA Dream Team
2005 BBC Sport Personality of The Year Lifetime Achievement Awards
Brazil All-Time Top Scorer
Brazil Football Museum Hall of Fame



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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

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http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=63869/index.html

http://www.latinosportslegends.com/Pele_bio.htm

http://www.360soccer.com/pele/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9



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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jan 15, 14:15

Brezza wrote:Also I don’t think he really improved from 84 for free kick accuracy nor lost 3 points in shot power in 1970, in fact some of the hardest shots and freekicks came from this year, and I really think he always relied mostly on pure power over placement.


I'm very sorry, because there was a mistake with young Pele's FKA. It should have been 86, not 84. It was a long discussion and after it, we were tired so this value somehow got changed when I tried to pick up all the values from message history. Rubedo convinced us that in his younger days Pele relied more on his power and curling then precision and that he's worthy of 86 (he watched good number of Pele's games and videos, so I believe he knows what he's talking about). We compared young Pele with Puskas in terms of free kick accuracy.

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Alcohomicide » 2010 Jan 15, 14:25

And for curl he tried bananas round the wall, so to curl that ball... I think he can curl today's ball better than Van Persie and on a par with Totti who also love blasting FK's.

More importantly, though. The MS style shots look realistic when non shooting from FK's (Open play shots) like Plava Cigara said. One thing we enjoy most is his shots. ;)

"When we were winning leagues and European Cups at Real I always said Makelele was our most important player. There is no way myself Figo or Raúl would have been able to do what we did without Claude and the same goes for Liverpool and Gerrard."
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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jan 15, 22:22

C’mon guys I was not basing his finishing on that video alone. I was just using it as an example and a reference just like the 100 of videos Alco has posted with his constant Romario/Rivaldo lovefest ( which I dont blame him for both are brilliant players :P 8-) ) Ive also downloaded my fair share of Brazil matches in 1962 1970 1958 world cup and plenty of Santos footage. im not a classic moderator just for shits n giggles you know.

Here is a nice illegal site I'll share with you were I get them from 8-)
http://forum.rojadirecta.com/viewtopic.php?t=72333

I honestly think its fair that both Romario (after update) and Pele be on 93 shot acc and 95 tech that’s just the way I see it . I'm pretty adamant that he is more than just 1 or 2 points than the players you listed Plava. They all have great shot technique but there not quite as consistent as Pele plus he was far more adept of those in terms of volleying technique then any of those players. I don’t see why Muller was far more special than Pele in terms of shot technique, I mean for me he is the best finisher ever but look at his shot accuracy.

I understand the whole 'but these will make him too good' argument but really I just see him fitting the ladders better here and that quite a few others will look a bit out of place with these values. I still think 93/95 is still a good reality check to all those n00bs out there saying "Omg he scored over 1000 goals why doesn't he have 98/99 Shot accuracy"

I agree with the drop for 1970 but why a 5 points? it just looks a bit too excessive for me :?

@ Alco
Im not wrong just because my opinion differs from yours mate ;) I don’t think your being objective enough with Rivaldo, ive seen smash shots widely of target as well and for me he needed a bit of space to do what he was capable of while Pele was a bit more instinctive and could pull superbly struck shots of better with more players around him constantly trying to close him down. he was superb at making the best use of his shot power from any position from 30-15 yards, goalkeepers were helpless .

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... ER+Part+21

^^ Don't blast me but this series makes a good watch I know it comes from the dreaded youtube ( :shock:) but its better than some 6 minute compilation of his best moments, there's 189 goals here which does give a good recollection of the kind of goals he scored.

Please don’t think that I'm being unappreciative of the amount of work or testing you guys have put into making these stats. Like I said ive tested them also and they have convinced me over other things that I was unsure of first like teamwork, positioning etc.

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Alcohomicide » 2010 Jan 15, 22:26

Brezza, in game 94 works better than 95 for realism. I've tested him @ 95 and it's too much. There is, believe it or not a way of making him too good and the facts (testing) don't lie. And I still think you over estimate his ST. In terms of how he plays these values that we gave him best emulate him. ;)

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jan 15, 22:48

Ok I concede defeat and trust your guys opinions and the amount of work and testing you have put into making him. Remember though testing players are still pretty subjective depending on how the A.I and human players act really, it doesn't make the stats some kind of dogmatic truth. Can he be raised to 94 like you said at least though? What are your guys views about raising Romario's shot technique as well?

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby sencesor » 2010 Jan 15, 23:51

Alcohomicide wrote:Brezza, in game 94 works better than 95 for realism. I've tested him @ 95 and it's too much. There is, believe it or not a way of making him too good and the facts (testing) don't lie. And I still think you over estimate his ST. In terms of how he plays these values that we gave him best emulate him. ;)


Not to belittle the tremendous & much appreciated effort you guys made in making a more realistic Pele, but you are aware Alco of the uber subjectivness (quiet possibly megalomanic) of this quote right?? :? I mean it is theoretically still possible that with a few more tweaks he'll be emulated even better no..? :)

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Alcohomicide » 2010 Jan 16, 00:14

sencesor wrote:Not to belittle the tremendous & much appreciated effort you guys made in making a more realistic Pele, but you are aware Alco of the uber subjectivness (quiet possibly megalomanic) of this quote right?? :? I mean it is theoretically still possible that with a few more tweaks he'll be emulated even better no..? :)


Do you not think tweaking was involved? I swear I'll tweak you in a minute! :D

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby sencesor » 2010 Jan 16, 00:18

:lol:

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jan 19, 08:51

This thread will be locked, because many people claim that, with these stats, he looks very realistic in PES. I will unlock it only if somebody presents a strong arguments for that. Also if anybody finds reliable info about younger Pele's weight (that shows that he weighed less then 73 kg), feel free to send me a PM. :)

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby id10 » 2011 Jul 01, 08:16

guys, sorry to interrupt here, but i think TEC should be higher, 98 maybe, for both era stats and higher than maradona's, he should be 97 maybe

let me explain

TEC is not just about first touch, it is also describing what a player can do with a ball, and as far as i know, pele is the greatest trickster ever, look at how many times he fools defender by slipping the ball through between opponent foot, look at his dummy, in short, he mostly use his DA and TEC to beat his opponent

now take a look at maradona, he mostly beat his opponent with DA,DS,agility, and ACC, he's not some kind of trickster, while maradona is on par with pele in terms of first touch, although maradona seems a little better i guess

so it doesn't make sense to make maradona better than pele in TEC, let alone by 2 points, so TEC IMHO :
PELE : 98
MARADONA : 97

the only one who deserve 99 in TEC is zidane, he is a brilliant trickster and great first touch, although pele absolutely better than him in trickery

and i also think he should be faster in both era, take a look at world cup 1970 vid when he is running in left side, i forget the opponent, maybe uruguay or czech, his TS maybe 88 at that age

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby jeanclaude » 2011 Jul 03, 13:37

I think that ATT 99 is only for pure CF . Monster SS/AMF like Diego or Pelè don't deserve it. But surely they need the higher stats possible in ATT ,more than any others SS, only Crujff was at that level. I think Pelè and Crujff could easily have 96 , and Diego 94: he played a little bit behind .

About TEC I wanna answer to id10 : Platini say " what Zidane does with a ball,Maradona can do with an orange " On the web there is also a vid in which Zidane explain that Maradona is of another level .

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby jeanclaude » 2011 Jul 03, 13:41

I think that ATT 99 is only for pure CF . Monster SS/AMF like Diego or Pelè don't deserve it. But surely they need the higher stats possible in ATT ,more than any others SS, only Crujff was at that level. I think Pelè and Crujff could easily have 96 , and Diego 94: he played a little bit behind .

About TEC I wanna answer to id10 : Platini say " what Zidane does with a ball,Maradona can do with an orange " On the web there is also a vid in which Zidane explain that Maradona is of another level .

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At the moment i'm completely disgusted seeing Diego at 85, and Pelè 94. ATT affects a lot of stats

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby id10 » 2011 Jul 03, 15:54

jeanclaude wrote:About TEC I wanna answer to id10 : Platini say " what Zidane does with a ball,Maradona can do with an orange " On the web there is also a vid in which Zidane explain that Maradona is of another level .


i know vid that you mean, , this right ?

oh please, you cant judge a player by seeing his training session, let alone by a comment 0f an ex-great player, that's ridiculous

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Luisao82 » 2011 Jul 04, 07:49

His ATT is fine in my opinion. What is not fine is his values for TW. The guy was not only a very skilled and prolific goalscorer, he was also an extremely intelligent player who could link up excellently with his teammates. He's sure underrated in that area.

Also, he just seems generally underrated in his 1969-1970 set.


EDIT: it also wouldn't hurt to raise his TEC a bit. Pelé's trapping skills weren't inferior to the likes of Zidane or Bergkamp.

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby jeanclaude » 2011 Jul 04, 16:40

id10 wrote:i know vid that you mean, , this right ?

oh please, you cant judge a player by seeing his training session, let alone by a comment 0f an ex-great player, that's ridiculous


Sorry but nobody with an healthy brain can say that Maradona stay 2 points behind Zidane in TEC . current stats fits perfect

I also agree with Luisao82 for Pelè TEC 98

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby id10 » 2011 Jul 05, 06:10

Luisao82 wrote:His ATT is fine in my opinion. What is not fine is his values for TW. The guy was not only a very skilled and prolific goalscorer, he was also an extremely intelligent player who could link up excellently with his teammates. He's sure underrated in that area.

Also, he just seems generally underrated in his 1969-1970 set.


EDIT: it also wouldn't hurt to raise his TEC a bit. Pelé's trapping skills weren't inferior to the likes of Zidane or Bergkamp.

which TW do you mean ? 85 for his 2nd era is just fine, but TW 78 for his younger stats is yes, its underrated, his TW should be still in 80's region, i'd say 83

take a look at this vid, , he likes to hold the ball, looking for someone to pass, if there's no one to pass then he is going to dribble or shoot

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jeanclaude wrote:Sorry but nobody with an healthy brain can say that Maradona stay 2 points behind Zidane in TEC . current stats fits perfect

I also agree with Luisao82 for Pelè TEC 98


come on man, i know Maradona has dazzling skills, he could past 5 players in instance, DA 99 absolutely, but try to separate between his DA and his TEC, his TEC isn't better then bergkamp, Pele, or Zidane, he could get 97/98, but not 99

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Luisao82 » 2011 Jul 05, 06:54

id10 wrote:which TW do you mean ? 85 for his 2nd era is just fine, but TW 78 for his younger stats is yes, its underrated, his TW should be still in 80's region, i'd say 83


I'm talking about the values for both eras actually. Though he didn't had Maradona's vision and playmaking abilty, he had always been a great team player and could link up with his teammates and make the game flow better than most forwards. In terms of TW I would compare him to guys like Del Piero.

Also, he got better in this area as he got older. So I'd also suggest small raises to his passing abilities (1961-1965 Era). Here is:


1961-1965 Era

Short Pass Accuracy: 81
Long Pass Accuracy: 78
TW: 85


1969-1970 Era

TW: 87

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby Futbolístes » 2011 Jul 05, 10:44

Pele doubtless deserves TEC 98 in both sets. This goal highlighted shows his fantastic sense for play and amazing technique, also his fantastic receiving ball to his chest was something unseen in football world..



..also look this touch when he created chance for goal.. on 01:30



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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby O Rei Pelé » 2011 Jul 24, 23:26

Hey Watch this It's called Pelé the master and his method. Im sure you've heard of it before.
It shows pele's attack,technique,teamwork and passing penalties,free kicks etc..

PART 1


PART 2


Just to let you know I think this was made In 1974 so after he won his 3rd world cup

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Look at the way he smashed his free kicks!



I think his FKA and maybe Swerve should go up.

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Pelé needs to be updated.

his 1970 rating in *95 (SS) *87 as a AMF
his 60's rating in *96 (SS) *95 as CF

Maradona is an *101 SS and 96* AMF
Cruijff is *102 as an SS

This is for PES 2011 X360

I know these stats are for realism but Pelé needs an update.

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Re: PELÉ | 1969-1970 & 1961-1965

Postby xeneize » 2011 Jul 24, 23:44

the rating is a crap, useless
if you have suggestions put here with explanations to discuss it

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