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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby dixie1sixty » 2008 Dec 11, 17:16

I would increase his header to at least 75 he wins a surprising amount of headers in midfield for Everton and these stats certainly don't reflect this.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Vranny » 2008 Dec 14, 03:25

There were previous discussions to raise LPA to 88 and I would think *Playmaker would be a must for him.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby jmg721 » 2008 Dec 14, 03:47

Vranny wrote:There were previous discussions to raise LPA to 88 and I would think *Playmaker would be a must for him.

I'd agree with 88. His long passes(fk & cks) seem to always make it into the mix. Feels rare in the EPL. Often they hit the 1st guy. But he consistently delivers good quality. Not as sure with the playmaker, as he already has *passing. Do you feel like he really initiates the offense? I think of guys in the *playmakers in the Serie A, and his passing is better than most, but I don't feel like he plays the "playmaker" the same why. Just my opinion.

Also, do you think his aggression is a bit high? I feel with a 4-4-2 and him playing CMF, it would leave a lot of holes in their midfield.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 14, 08:45

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Vranny wrote:There were previous discussions to raise LPA to 88 and I would think *Playmaker would be a must for him.

I'd agree with 88. His long passes seems to always make it into the mix. Feels rare in the EPL. Often they hit the 1st guy. But he consistently delivers good quality. Not as sure with the playmaker, as he already has *passing. Do you feel like he really initiates the offense? I think of guys in the *playmakers in the Serie A, and his passing is better than most, but I don't feel like he plays the "playmaker" the same why. Just my opinion.

Also, do you think his aggression is a bit high? I feel with a 4-4-2 and him playing CMF, it would leave a lot of holes in their midfield.


Well, I'm not sure to be honest. It's almost co-dependent on where Everton play him. When he plays out wide, then no he doesn't need it as he's a guy who gets direct assists with his passing. Conversely, when he's moved inside into a deeper central midfield role, every attacking move comes from him and he does dictate the play. It's truly a question of where you want him to play, because Arteta is tactically and technically versatile.

Yes, his Aggression does look rather too high, even when you look at him play as an SMF. I'd have had it lower but not too low, just enough to be a compromise for both positions. A 78, perhaps?

What I would like to propose is a higher Mentality, what I was surprised about last season was some of the work-rate he put in. It wasn't to the same degree as Andy Johnson or Steve Pienaar, but it was pretty good and I'd class it as above average. He closed the ball down a lot and didn't truly give up at all. Wouldn't an 80/81 value be fair?

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby jmg721 » 2008 Dec 14, 11:05

Since he is registered as a CMF, is that more of a reason for him to have the *playmaker? When auto sorted, he would likely be chosen for CMF before SMF...where he plays that role.

So Gooner's Suggestions:
Aggression: 78
Mentality: 80/81

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby dixie1sixty » 2008 Dec 14, 13:22

I agree with a lower agression. Also he warrants the playmaker star more than any other Everton player. He facilitates most offensive Everton moves and is the 'guile' in midfield. SOmetimes Everton rely too much on him and this can lead to a dip in confidence for Mikel. I would agree with LPA being 88 certainly.

Also 76on SA? Its not the most accurate of shots but definitely not this low. I would suggest 80...thoughts?

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 14, 13:58

dixie1sixty wrote:Also 76on SA? Its not the most accurate of shots but definitely not this low. I would suggest 80...thoughts?


I've got to disagree here, his placement in his shots is quite good. But there are quite a few occasions where they go awry, and I wouldn't class them as being up to that sort of standard. He currently sits on the same value as David Bentley, and I feel that's fair, as they can put accurate shots but not to the extent where they aim for the top-corner or at the same sort of standard of accuracy that Mancini or Julio Baptista can achieve.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Fides » 2008 Dec 14, 14:00

I think his TS could come down a bit btw

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2008 Dec 14, 14:05

Fides wrote:I think his TS could come down a bit btw


Why? 82 seems fine for him

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby GavidTreveguet » 2008 Dec 15, 02:45

Vranny wrote:There were previous discussions to raise LPA to 88 and I would think *Playmaker would be a must for him.

I definitely agree with the playmaker star.

A lot of Everton's attacking play goes through him.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 08:43

Both are absolute MUSTS. That's 3. UPDATED!

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 21, 12:58



does anyone wish to comment? what'd you say he is from these. I'd say 69 is the fairest

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 21, 13:43

Seen as he has nothing currently there i'll update it with your suggestion.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 21, 16:22

What about the Aggression and Mentality suggestions?

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 21, 21:19

they seem okay but i'd personally have mentality at 83 rather than 81.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby fishdalf » 2008 Dec 22, 07:17

Paddy wrote:they seem okay but i'd personally have mentality at 83 rather than 81.


I don't know, Arteta is a tough one, because while he does show mad determination at time, others he just doesn't seem interested at all, doesn't chase the ball down and expects it to come to him.

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 22, 14:38

coulldn't that be a case of consistency though?

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Re: Mikel ARTETA

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 22, 18:53

Paddy wrote:coulldn't that be a case of consistency though?


No, lowering his Consistency would be wrong. It's an inconsistency in one area, not all of them. Otherwise his crosses and long passes would be more hit-and-miss, and that wouldn't be right at all.

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