Ivan Lendrić, Zulte-Waregem

[čale]

[Mateo]

Auhh... Didn't thought there would be so much difference between your and mine set

Attack: 77
Defence: 38
Balance: 77
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 82
Response: 78
Agility: 81
Dribble Accuracy: 79
Dribble Speed: 82
Short Pass Accuracy: 71
Short Pass Speed: 72
Long Pass Accuracy: 70
Long Pass Speed: 71
Shot Accuracy: 77
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 77
Free Kick Accuracy: 64
Curling: 70
Header: 79
Jump: 79
Technique: 79
Aggression: 83
Mentality: 76
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 75

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

OK, so let's begin. First, a 74 for balance puts him by 3 points under players like Ticinovic, Vukusic, and someone who's very similar to his H & W, Tomasov (183/73). I don't think he would (or better said could) withstand any pushing against him, he would just fall down by almost every contact.

For stamina you gave him a value that represent players that have fitness issues, something like King or Ronaldo has/had.
He played 26 games for Zrinjski, though I don't know how many minutes.

Response - 80 is too much for him, it puts him one under Vukusic, on pair with Rukavina, and one higher then Beqiraj. He's still developing in this area.

DA - Don't know if you have watched some of his goals, but he can very well dribble players, similar to Vukusic.

SA & ST - Could you explain this better? I'm really confused about this.

FKA & CUR - I never saw him taking free kicks, is he really this good?

Header - He can precisely score with his head, has that (don't know how to say it in english, trzaj glavom).

MEN & TEA - I know he's young and still learning here, but your values put him like he's amateur!

Condition - Have in mind that in PES2011 system, condition also has influence on consistency, not only on how much games he can play.

[čale]

okay, let's start...

BB: i might have been a bit harsh but i really don't see any reason to put him higher than a 75 and thats for sure, he just a wimp, he may have good height but he lacks in the muscular department by a long shot

STA: nah, his stamina is lame, he gets tired easily and still hasn't got the lungs to play full 90min he often tires out around the 65-70th min, and a value of of 80/81 represent it very well

RES: it's really not that high a value, he's good, that is solid just above the retarded section (-78) i'd agree on a 79 but i really feel that he deserves that 80, even though he is young he has very good anticipation and reading of the game, it's just a common stereotype that young players aren't good at it, but i bet that by the end of the season you'll be proposing ATT 80+ and RES 82+

DA: there are a lot of players which have world class DA when jogging or not running but here we represent DA when running at full speed, because all of the players have a certain fixed value for DA when jogging (not holding R1) and his DA when running isn't all that impressive...maybe next year when the precision dribbling is introduced we can talk about close control

SA/ST: easily, he has great accuracy inside the box and can place some nice shots or hit corners from time to time, but he really lacks in composure (zna se uzjebat i to često) and because of that most of his shots end up miss-hit and he is really lame when shooting from distance thus the high SA and low ST, i know that a 74 ST is really uncommon for a CF but he is just a example of it.

FK/CURL: he puts some decent curl onto his shots and a 79/80 is not out of his reach while his FKA is...well, solid a 76 may be a tad too high but a 74/75 might be a better number for him

MENT/TW: lame, lame, lame, lame, lame...he can be a pretty selfish player or make some bad decisions when he had better choices and often can be found not putting some effort because of his lack of stamina or will to do so, but that will come with years and IMO nothing currently deserves greens...

I try to use more of the gray numbers and step a bit off of the PSD standards so that players can look different as many of the lower league/team players have pretty much the same stats because of the standard average value and gray numbers where put in the game to be used too

[Mateo]

RES: it's really not that high a value, he's good, that is solid just above the retarded section (-78)

OK then, to put some middle values:

Balance: 75
Stamina: 80
Response: 79
Dribble Accuracy: 77
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Technique: 75
Free Kick Accuracy: 74
Curling: 78
Mentality: 73
Teamwork: 72

[čale]

fine by me...

[Mateo]

Updated.

[čale]

you know, you've basically changed a lot of values which weren't even brought up to discussion, if you want to change something, bring it up for discussion, i'm okay with the changes we brought up a here and changed them, but the unannounced changes in certain values like:

- TS (+2)
- AGI (+2)
- DS (+4)
- SPA (-1)
- SPS (-1)
- LPS (-3)
- SP (+1)
- HEA (+3)
- WFA (+1)
- WFF (+1)

that's almost half a set without bringing any notice of it and you've basically turned "my" set in "your's", i'm by no means trying to preserve my name up there if it wasn't 80% correct, but changing values without even bringing them up kills the idea of having a forum.

[Mateo]

OK, sorry then. It's because I thought that you didn't mention this parts, that you agree with the rest of my set.


TS - He's quite fast, 80 puts him one under Krstanović which is just wrong.

AGI - As we agreed on DA 77, to compensate his dribbling, this should stay higher. On pair with Čop.

DS - As you said for his dribbling, he's most of a kick-and-run dribbler. I don't see him losing much speed here.

SPA & SPS - Your values put him close to someone who's quite good at passing, like Vuković.

LPS - I don't see him showing any power here, Krstanovic has 72 and he has also a bit higher SP.

SP - He's capable of shooting hard outside the box. Anything lower then 81 IMO is for players that always seek precision over power, as Raul.

"Header - He can precisely score with his head, has that (don't know how to say it in english, trzaj glavom)." You didn't reply to this.

WFA & WFF - 4 is an average value, 3 is for players that have weak foot and rarely score with them. But Lendrić in fact can score with his left foot.

[čale]

TS: Krstanović is heavier and taller than him +12cm and +14kg so it's not really fair to compare them and even by putting them on the same value Lendrić would be faster considering his smaller frame and much greater ACC, an 80 is fine.

AGI: this refers more to BB than to DA, he is shorter than Čop who is almost 190 and is also lighter than him so it's should self-compensate and a number higher than an 80 is not needed.

DS: i've never said that his style is kick and run, i've just said that he can't keep his precision while running at full speed anywhere near his precision when while jogging. while running he losses quite much of his speed and is similar to Chicharito who is deadly without the ball but when he receives it he's just not technically up to the task and losses almost all of his speed and control. 79/80 is the bare max. And even that video you've put up there shows exactly what i've said great close control and he doesn't even bother running fast with the ball as he is aware of his lack of control.

SPA/SPS: okay fine then but there isn't almost any difference between them IMO

LPS: Vuković has 74/74 and Lendrić has 69/73, that means Vuković has +5 on accuracy which warrants enough difference in quality but their quite similar in the weight they put on their long passes.

SP: fine, but tbh he has never struck me as someone who can hit the ball hard even though it's very rare to see that with SP 81 but it can be done...

HEA: anything higher than 77 is overrating him, most of his headed goals are unattended headers and pure headers based on positioning himself so that he can't be distracted by his marker and is often left alone and it's quite easy to score such headers with low greens as well.

WFA/WFF: he may use his WFF as the number 4 says but his WFA is definitely a 3.

[Mateo]

Updated:

TS: 82 > 80
AGI: 81 > 80
DS: 82 > 80
LPS: 70 > 73
HEA: 79 > 77
WFA: 4 > 3

[Mateo]

Probably going to Braga.

[runacbobi]

He deserves a better Header. Most of his goals for Hajduk in this season he scored with his head.

[Mateo]

Well, at first I rated him at 79, but Cale had a good argument so we agreed to put him on 77. I didn't see the goals, so I can't judge whether or not were they easy headers, or some difficult.

[čale]

yes i know that he's scored a lot of headers this season but you have to take other elements into the equation, how difficult for example were those headers? was he surrounded by other players? were the other players pressuring him? all of his headers are quite executable with the current number and to warrant a higher number he needs to start scoring more difficult headers, IMO.

[PESorISS]

Hajduk's biggest potential of 91 age, true goalscorer scored 42 goals in his last season for juniori, was best player and top scorer, also a top scorer of BH premier league.
His SP is way lover than his ST and Curling, he is Raul/Inzaghi like tipe of player who always try to put ball behind goalkeeper, not to kill him or shoot just to shoot.
His attack shoud be on par with Vukusic at least, because Luka Modric sad that one season in BH premier league counts like 3 i croatian league
Response should go up or agility down because he is using his head more than his body.