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Marcelo Vieira

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 22:49

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Tavo » 2008 Dec 21, 00:55

Is everyone ok with his Agility and ACC? With the ball, they're his main weapons, well obviously combined with DA.

I'm not asking an increase, I'm asking if people here think the current values make him realistic...

I haven't played in a while (i've said I'm on vacations and don't have PES here) but if I remember right, he couldn't turn and go the way he does irl.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Capitan » 2008 Dec 21, 09:56

I see his stats well, is fast, have good control with the ball and can dribble really easy when he want.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 21, 10:00

Capitan wrote:I see his stats well, is fast, have good control with the ball and can dribble really easy when he want.

Agree. He is practically in WC speed and really good agility. Well rated his stats.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby kosmo » 2008 Dec 21, 18:55

may be only his aggression should be higher...like high 80s

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 21, 19:43

kosmo wrote:may be only his aggression should be higher...like high 80s

This can be a good option. Any number?

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby kosmo » 2008 Dec 21, 19:51

87-88 i guess, what do you think

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby as_10 » 2008 Dec 21, 19:55

kosmo wrote:87-88 i guess, what do you think

i think 87 will do, in par with Alves and Ramos(i think)

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 21, 20:10

as_10 wrote:
kosmo wrote:87-88 i guess, what do you think

i think 87 will do, in par with Alves and Ramos(i think)

Agree.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 21, 20:13

Agree

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby LaitP » 2008 Dec 21, 20:17

another thing, didn't we agree to raise his TW ??
and i think that 78 was the number.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby AvatarST » 2008 Dec 21, 23:07

Yeah, that aggression number is fine, probably. I agree.

Isn't there a "horrible at tackling" star? He needs it. :lol: Although his positioning has improved, any winger will give him a very hard time on 1v1s...with support he can do very well against many because of his speed, but his tackling really is very poor. It may sound overboard but I'd give him a 75 for attack and leave his defense in the low 60s.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 21, 23:14

Well, I found Filipe Luis a bit better than him in terms of attack.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby AvatarST » 2008 Dec 21, 23:16

Then maybe we can leave attack at 73 or 74, but I do think defense needs to go down.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 22, 20:41

Some suggestions are...

Attack: 74
Defence: 66
He is so close to Sylvinho defensively but slower to react and in offensive positions, he puts a bit less tactical capacity.

Balance: 77
He can resist any charge more.

Stamina: 86
Resist a bit more than 85. Nothing special.

Agility: 87
So agile in this, what makes him fast to turn his body and react.

Dribble Speed:88
Under Higuain? We are crazy... :lol:

Shot Accuracy: 68
Shot Technique: 68
His shots are similar to Sergio, nothing special.

Free Kick Accuracy: 70
I only see him shoting FK before he comes here, and really is not that accurate. Close to Pareja maximum.

Aggression: 87
Mentality: 76
He makes more runs forward and doesn't work that too much and doesn't returns that fast to the defence.

Team Work: 74
One of his principal problems are his lacks in comunication with his teammates, I think that this is what we can do to him maximum at this moment.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 22, 20:46

Markulur wrote:Some suggestions are...

Attack: 74
Defence: 66
He is so close to Sylvinho defensively but slower to react and in offensive positions, he puts a bit less tactical capacity.

Balance: 77
He can resist any charge more.

Stamina: 86
Resist a bit more than 85. Nothing special.

Agility: 87
So agile in this, what makes him fast to turn his body and react.

Dribble Speed:88
Under Higuain? We are crazy... :lol:

Shot Accuracy: 68
Shot Technique: 68
His shots are similar to Sergio, nothing special.

Free Kick Accuracy: 70
I only see him shoting FK before he comes here, and really is not that accurate. Close to Pareja maximum.

Aggression: 87
Mentality: 76
He makes more runs forward and doesn't work that too much and doesn't returns that fast to the defence.

Team Work: 74
One of his principal problems are his lacks in comunication with his teammates, I think that this is what we can do to him maximum at this moment.


Agree with all not at defensive skill, he stills improoving and for example yesterday he made a good match (juande tactics befefiate SBs defensive position with wing midfielders that helps back)

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 22, 20:55

Exactly!! Juande tactics, but not his qualities. He is good defensively thanks to his speed, not to his positioning or tackling qualities. He make bad tackles in lots of ocasions, and practically all the danger is for his side when midlefield don't help him.

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 22, 21:30

Markulur wrote:Exactly!! Juande tactics, but not his qualities. He is good defensively thanks to his speed, not to his positioning or tackling qualities. He make bad tackles in lots of ocasions, and practically all the danger is for his side when midlefield don't help him.


True about tackles that means low response not only DEF. IMO his defense is lower enough... And like his improovement in defense is thanked to tactics that's why don't suggest higher value...

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 22, 21:35

Tackles are influenced by defence too...

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Re: MARCELO Vieira

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 22, 21:40

Markulur wrote:Tackles are influenced by defence too...



Of course and i didn't say the contrary, but are also are affected by response... and we have been really harsh with him at rating his response because of his tackes, and i think his bad tackles are enough represented with that low value in response, we shouldn't lower even more imo...

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