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Josip Iličić

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Re: Josip Ilicic

Postby jmg721 » 2010 Sep 25, 06:25

How many times have you seen him play?

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Re: Josip Ilicic

Postby jmg721 » 2010 Sep 25, 09:38

I want to let you know that 2 mods are working on a set of stats for him. I will wait till they post their stats, but when they do I'm sure they will be moved to the 1st post. So if you want to defend your stats, I suggest you give some support to these values now, before they are gone.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Ace » 2010 Sep 25, 22:12

I'm curious to understand why SA is 81 (a point under Miccoli and a point over Sneijder :lol: ), ST 80 and so on.

In last days I was talking with a few person about this player, after a talk with Rfuna I was almost ready to post my set. After another PM he told me to post here so we'll make the necessary changes. I know I'm breaking a forum rule posting this set, I apologize for it but I was allowed by Rfuna. In the spoiler you can find the explaination for all values.

Position: AMF*, SMF

Foot: L
Side: B

Attack: 76
Defence: 49
Balance: 76
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 82
Response: 76
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 81
Dribble Speed: 77
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 75
Long Pass Speed: 74
Shot Accuracy: 75
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 74
Free Kick Accuracy: 72
Curling: 75
Header: 71
Jump: 72
Technique: 81
Aggression: 78
Mentality: 75
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 77

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Condisistency: 5

S15 - Marseille Roulette

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Ace wrote:Position: AMF*, SMF <--- in Maribor he was the classic AMF (Pastore-style), for Slovenia he played as RMF in a friendly, coming from sub.

Foot: L
Side: B <--- maybe R, but maybe he can play also on left, as AMF he play on left and right side of pitch

Length: 190
Weight: 79

Attack: 76 <--- you said 77, but personally I don't want to put him on par with Pastore
Defence: 49 <--- Pastore have 46, Ilicic is slighy better. Previously I had him at 48 but I can live with your 49. In future we can work for an update to something like 52, but by now I want to be conservative
Balance: 76 <--- he's tall 190 but "only" 79 kg, IMO he's weak and in body challenges he come down easily. He still can't use his height, maybe in Italy he can improve in it
Stamina: 82 <--- he can last 90 minutes, but remember he often come from sub (when Miccoli will be back, Ilicic will be back to bench) and yesterday he seemed tired in the last minutes
Top Speed: 83 <--- TS>ACC, IMO. he have a decent speed, something like a point difference between TS and ACC.
Acceleration: 82 <--- see above
Response: 76 <--- he's decent at read the game, I'm curious to see him in Serie A
Agility: 83 <--- he can use his body well, it can be also slighty higher but I considerer his not-so-high weight.
Dribble Accuracy: 81 <--- DA>DS. He have an 80s DA, but he need to show his qualities against italian defenders. Against Brescia he had problems to pass Kone
Dribble Speed: 77 <--- having yellow TS/ACC, I think he can get a high-70 DS, maybe slighty higher
Short Pass Accuracy: 79 <--- he's a good passer, in Maribor he showed good things. I don't want to give him already higher stats
Short Pass Speed: 78 <--- see above
Long Pass Accuracy: 75 <--- his crosses are decent, nothing special
Long Pass Speed: 74 <-- see above
Shot Accuracy: 75 <--- decent shot, precise if needed, good power.
Shot Power: 81 <--- Good power, he had a powerful shot against Brescia (not precise)
Shot Technique: 74 <--- he prefer simply shots, nothing special by now
Free Kick Accuracy: 72 <--- yesterday he took corners and didn't do a bad work. He's not a FK specialist so I don't want to give him a green value. Waiting for a FK from him, I think he can stay at 72 now
Curling: 75 <--- he can curl the ball like in corners, nothing special TBH
Header: 71 <--- he's not good with headers, 71 can be standard
Jump: 72 <-- he's already tall, he never showed a good leap, I put on par with Pastore
Technique: 81 <--- he has a good technique, I would put him in 81-82 range, by now I was conservative
Aggression: 78 <--- he come up, but mainly to pass the ball. with the combination of AGG and TW and I think we can replicate it.
Mentality: 75 <--- good effort but nothing special
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 77 <--- good team vision, he can be a good playmaker, but he still need to show it in italy

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6 <--- he played a lot in Maribor, but I want to remain conservative
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6 <--- not bad, nothing special
Weak Foot Frequency: 5 <--- he prefer to use his left foot, but if needed he can use the right.
Condisistency: 5 <--- he's young, let's be conservative

S15 - Marseille Roulette <--- he did in Maribor more than once

*Dribbling <--- if he can, he prefer to dribble opponents, and then pass the ball.


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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Gugu » 2010 Sep 28, 20:47

I read your stats and explanations, however I would put stamina at 81, and Also higher SP (was powerful in recent matches). He seemed tired at the end on the 27th, and he will struggle with accumulated matches, with the mentality. Better stats otherwise, your stats to be 1st post IMO :D.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby zuo » 2010 Oct 03, 18:17

ok,finally today he was vs Fiorentina and i had the occasion to see him for a full game and not solo highlights.
i could say that SP is easily an higher number than both sets......he's not strong, was in real trouble when defending the ball from Pasqual (71 kgs,BB 78)
Don't know if was because he was on a (relatively) good day,but if his frequency of shooting his this standard, he needs too *MS.
And he's also something faster..id say +1/+1 to both speed stats in the Ace set.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby marko123 » 2010 Oct 10, 07:16





I think he's underrated here. He allready scored 3 goals in 4 matches and prepared for himself and teammates many chances.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Gugu » 2010 Oct 10, 10:08

That isn't very constructive to what's trying to be achieved here. In the tripleh88 or Ace stats :?:

Those YouTube vids compile only the best moments of his career. The stats are represented in full matches, and in PES Simulations.

I don't believe he is underrated at all, read the explanations of ripleh88 and Ace and base your arguments on that :)

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Solo_Inter » 2010 Oct 10, 11:12

After seeing marko123's videos i think he deserves an updated... See this goal!



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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Gugu » 2010 Oct 10, 12:46

The goal does not mean he needs to be updated, maybe he was on a good arrow day or something like that.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Epsi » 2010 Oct 10, 12:49

Apart from that goal, his ST seems higher than Ace's 74. The rest looks good for me

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby marko123 » 2010 Oct 10, 13:36

well, he's considered best buy in this summers transfer window in Serie A. I'm sure you'll hear from him in next months and years. I know you'll make him better and aprove that in time. I personnaly (and I watched him in many games couse he played for my favourite club and now watch every Palermo game) believe that he's not less good as Pastore. His drible is very accurate and has very good shot. He's very unknown yet I know couse in the start of this season he played in Slovenia second divison and was thinking about ending career couse of bad guidance. Then he transfered to NK Maribor for free and scored many goals and created almost every chance for his team. Tahn Palermo spotted him and bought him for 2,3 mil after just two months. That was transfer record in Slovenian league. he has enormous potential and just needed the right club with good supporters to explode. He said that himself. slovenia is not well covered with supporters and many games are with only 200 hundred or even less visitors. and he played for club that had even 50 in some games and that relegaded couse almost all players left the club and the oldest player was Iličič with 21. Now in Palermo he's best almost every game and scored 3 goals in 4 matches he played.

His goals in Palermo







and you saw goals and moves in my previous post.

I just think that he's better than the first post... that's all

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby marko123 » 2010 Oct 10, 13:59

and something more: I made a 10 minute compilation out of just 6 games and I could make another one after 6 more. He's just amazing attacking midfielder.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby bodhisattva » 2010 Oct 14, 20:35

St must go up, even TEC
i guess something like 79/82

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby total11 » 2010 Oct 17, 20:11

he needs a massive update... he is a reveleation of serie a 2010/11!

Attack: 76-->79 he scores many goals despect of his position ( 4 goals at this moment)
Top Speed: 83-->85
Acceleration: 82-->83 very fast...
Response: 76-->78 see the goal against juve to understand his response to situations..
Dribble Speed: 77-->80 very fast into dribbling
Shot Accuracy: 75-->79 4 goals against inter juventus etc. etc.
Shot Technique: 74-->78 very good techique... maybe he needs the long shot card... he has scored his goals from sideral positions
Technique: 81-->83

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby tripleh88 » 2010 Oct 18, 12:06

updated

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Ace » 2010 Oct 18, 12:47

tripleh88 wrote:updated

Are you crazy?!
You updated a player without a proper discussion, in a topic where there is also another set that is waiting to be analyzed! (How is it possible that I posted another set and you didn't open your mouth?!)
I'm still waiting your explainations about your ridicolous values, despite I clearly asked for it, but you completely ignored my post.

And now, let's ignore also this post. I will not be surprised, knowing your stupid/kid/stubborn behaviour.

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby tasmin » 2010 Oct 18, 12:55

Ace wrote:
tripleh88 wrote:updated

Are you crazy?!
You updated a player without a proper discussion, in a topic where there is also another set that is waiting to be analyzed! (How is it possible that I posted another set and you didn't open your mouth?!)
I'm still waiting your explainations about your ridicolous values, despite I clearly asked for it, but you completely ignored my post.

And now, let's ignore also this post. I will not be surprised, knowing your stupid/kid/stubborn behaviour.



i also agree with ace.this current set is overrated.

ace's set is good one but his shot power should be 83-84 range and he needs middle-shooting .

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Oct 18, 12:59

Ace wrote:Are you crazy?!
You updated a player without a proper discussion, in a topic where there is also another set that is waiting to be analyzed! (How is it possible that I posted another set and you didn't open your mouth?!)
I'm still waiting your explainations about your ridicolous values, despite I clearly asked for it, but you completely ignored my post.

And now, let's ignore also this post. I will not be surprised, knowing your stupid/kid/stubborn behaviour.


Aren't there mods in here? How can you let this crap happen?

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Re: Josip ILICIC

Postby Gugu » 2010 Oct 18, 20:33

Only 1 person says update, with hardly meaningful explanations (some non-existent) with clear signs that your set will be overrun soon. And also I was saying after 1 unless there was continuing development in that stat, and you were sure it is his normal match (no arrows or form) then at least wait for further discussion, not update.

But anyways, no matter, Ace's stats are more representable of the player he is, with zuo, epsi, me and albosoldier and jmg721 resorting to ignoring your post and only commenting on the other set (formulated by two mods), (basically ignoring contributions by aforementioned persons with intent to bias a discussion forum (which has a very good rep and which many patch-makers and PES players use for stats), youtube vids and flimsy inferences from marko123, bodhisattva, and solo-inter what sway you, tripleh88 :| The 1st post should be updated with Ace's and Rfuna's stats. In any case, a mod's stats (esp from a serie a mod and an italian) should obviously take precedence.

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