as_10 wrote:What I think it's overrated is his defence, I can't imagine him being that defensive secure when it comes to positioning. To be honest, I've never seen him consistently, but its difficult to think he was one of the best DM ever when it comes to positional sense(he would be the best DM nowadays with this value).
I'd say reduce it to 77-78 problably, level with Marcos Senna.
BTW, agree with BB. Not sure about RESP though(not that I disagree, just that I can't say anything).
Didn't even noticed that ... Marcos Senna is a better defender for shure, i'd say Pepe was at a Pirlo/Xabi Alonso level, defense should be arround 73, attack should be in the high green level (~78
), since it influences his teamates attitude.
Imo attack is not well rated for most playmaking DMF, as they excel at atacking moves but they play deep with low agression so they don't go into the box, but their attack value influences teamates moves from what i've seen.
And Guardiola was the kind of DMF that is there to suport the wingers and give consistency and possesion to midfield, not really do defend, he was a "constructive" DMF, unlike most traditional DMF (Gattusso, Makelele, Senna, Petit, etc) who's main role is to destroy the oponents play and steal balls.
About response, I did Costinha and rated his response at 90
, default value for pes6 i think. I did that because Costinha was a real defensive midfielder. His only job was to defend, steal the ball and pass it to his teamates ahead, makelele style. And at that he was great, one of the best ever in terms of antecipation imo, he was responsive, not in a "dog chase" type but more in antecipation, positioning, reading, knowledge or experience, call it what u want to. And i'm shure Guardiola was nowere near Costinha in that department. If Pirlo and Xabi r rated 84
for response, i think Pepe should be arround the same value.
Folowing the same logic of Guardiola being a "not so defensive" DMF, i see no reason for the *sliding star or the *covering one. Was it really a "specialty" of him? Don´t think so, but i'm no elephant.
What i really think he deserves as a star is *1-touch pass. Honestly, i had never realized it, but from that great video u can see he was very confortable playing at the first touch, and he's got loads of sucefull quick passes, long or short, done with no reception. 1-touch pass is not just for volleys, i'm 100% shure of it.
And stamina 91
? C'mon, he was never a player to run the whole game, he was never a great athlete. Great player but not a great athlete, know what i mean? We've got players running more than 10 km in a game and they don't get 90's for stamina, it's not fair to rate Guardiola this way, i would suggest something bellow 86
, and i can ashure, if the other changes are implemented, he will have no trouble lasting the whole game. Fabregas, Pirlo and Xabi are all rated at 84
In conclusion, i want to say that i've always liked defensive pivots with playmaking abilities, and Guardiola is one of the best playmaking DMF's ever. But is he one of the best overall DMF's ever? If we do a list of the top 10 DMF's ever will he be there? I'm not shure about that... but, judging from the stats of course i would say yes. He's so much better than Pirlo, he's probably the most complete DMF ever.
There r still other details like SP, SPS, agression, technique and FK's that i would like to discuss, but i'll leave it to another day.