Lionel Messi

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Lionel Messi

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 10:56

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 13, 14:09

and I am sure he is rated highest on this database when it comes to agility and he does not need to be 4-5 points above anyone else..

besides, classic stats are just for fun.. they're not made for comparing with current players, for sure..

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby POSTER#1 » 2008 Dec 13, 15:34

Ulises wrote:I suggest to CLOSE this threat... you know why...

Because this thread is a threat? XD

I agree though, at least till everbody is completely settled and all the ladders are put in place again.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby PMC » 2008 Dec 13, 15:40

everybody seems to have an opinion about him and need to express it since they know it best :roll:

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 14, 10:47

I think TS could be raised to 90, if Lennon has 94 I don't see why he should be 6 points slower

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Xyder » 2008 Dec 14, 12:22

TheTrueSeto wrote:I think TS could be raised to 90, if Lennon has 94 I don't see why he should be 6 points slower


It was discussed yet, and the answer you find it's a globally no.

pes_hhc wrote:attack very low shuld be 83-84.

Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 79

agility 99

messis agility>maradona-garrinchas agilitys.

I'm sure,should be 99

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Agree with the attack 83, I can't understand player like VdV, Robben, Mancini, Lampard, Gerrard... players "who plays close to the box equal than Messi", they score so many goals, ok, if Messi is not a goaler... the last season, the decadence of Rijkaard's project in 40 matches of Copa del Rey, La Liga and Champions, 16 goals; this season 19 matches, 16 goals... the numbers talk clear the attack must be raised yes or yes.
The passing stats... the pes_hhc suggestions for me are so much, but SPA can be raised in 1 point, not more.
The agility it's fine in the 97, a great part of us don't see Garrincha or Matthews but the historiy puts them there, a 99 it's only reserved for historic players in my opinion.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 14, 15:37

Gerrard, VDV, lampard shold be over messi, not robben who is going to be lowered to 80. So i disagree with raising his ATK

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Xyder » 2008 Dec 14, 15:55

Ulises wrote:Gerrard, VDV, lampard shold be over messi


Are you just joking???

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 14, 16:00

Xyder wrote:
Ulises wrote:Gerrard, VDV, lampard shold be over messi


Are you just joking???



Are you joking?¿

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Xyder » 2008 Dec 14, 16:35

When VdV, Gerrard or Lampard scores goals with his positioning or poaches a goal... Messi has scoring so many goals inside the box, he plays closer to the area than ever, ok his runs starts into the midfield and he recovers more balls than ever too,

ATTACK: it's primary function is as an indicator of how well an attacker can resist the attentions of his marker.

Well with this definition his attack need to be raised a lot, but, ok we haven't to increase a lot his attack comparing with other players, but man, i don't wanna pass over anyone, but I think it's soooo clear we need to raise his attack, at least in my OF it's raised.
But you have to see that from a neutral point, not from white point...

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 14, 16:50

IMO he goals inside the box are thanked to his response, but not showing a great positioning. Gerrard and VDV has better positioning inside and outside the box while attacking (dunno about lampard, haven't seen him lastly). Kaka who is much better than messi about positioning is 84...

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Markulur » 2008 Dec 14, 16:58

Here go my opinion there. I know what you will think but well.

I think that Messi improved a lot since the last year. He changed his style to play. Now he plays more using tactical and teamwork. If you saw the lasts 20 matches for example, he didn't try to dribble that too much like some ages ago. He made perfect passes, he improved in his shot and yes, he tries to cut into the centre and shot but only in a few ocasions.
He improved a lot his tacticals qualities. For example the lasts goals are thanks that he evade the mark of the defender. I don't think that he deserves a high attack, imposible for now, probably in the future yes (if he continues improving all), only a 82. Some players use positioning and balance in attack. He uses the evading of the mark more his speed. Is why Guardiola placed him like false CF in CL match.

I'm not sure if I explained what I think well. :lol:

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 14, 17:12

Well that's true, agree with 82.

I also want to comment what i showed yesterday. I payed attention to messi TS, and he NEVER get passed ramos by speed, he made good dribbles and found spaces to pass or make dangerous shots, and and also ramos could't steal him the ball, but he never passed get passed by messi. I think this is the perfect example to show that messi TS at 88 is overrated.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby pedala robinho » 2008 Dec 15, 00:16

I'm pretty sure his TS needs to be 87. He really isn't a fast player, what make him looks like that fast is his annormal Agility combined with his Acceleration. Anyways, with 87 he will be really fast, actually.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Messias18 » 2008 Dec 15, 05:57

pedala robinho wrote:I'm pretty sure his TS needs to be 87. He really isn't a fast player, what make him looks like that fast is his annormal Agility combined with his Acceleration. Anyways, with 87 he will be really fast, actually.

Agree. And i agree with attack 81-83

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 15, 08:02

so you wanna adjust it based on one match? :shock: I did not see it, yet.. but I doubt it would show something that would change my mind.. I am still against it..

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Ulises » 2008 Dec 15, 15:33

S-J23 wrote:so you wanna adjust it based on one match? :shock: I did not see it, yet.. but I doubt it would show something that would change my mind.. I am still against it..


If you talk about my explanation and comparation with sergio ramos, NO, i use to see every match of barcelona, and i said that 88 was overrating since it was suggested in the old forum.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 20, 04:35

pes_hhc wrote:attack very low shuld be 83-84.

Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 79

agility 99

messis agility>maradona-garrinchas agilitys.

I'm sure,should be 99

Injury Tolerance: B


Here's a Garrincha Video. If Messi should be 99, Garrincha has to be a 103.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V6y5P050M

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby S-J23 » 2008 Dec 20, 09:03

Maradona and co. are players of the past and I understand why would someone want to see Messi as a undisputed king of agility (because he indeed is!) but I still don't think he needs to be 2-3 points above rest of the world..

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby Fides » 2008 Dec 20, 12:54

I think there probably are some player just as agile (probably some short African guys:P) as Messi but they surely dont have the same on-the-ball skills as Messi.

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Re: Leo MESSI

Postby pes_hhc » 2008 Dec 20, 13:10

Peter80000 wrote:
pes_hhc wrote:attack very low shuld be 83-84.

Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 79

agility 99

messis agility>maradona-garrinchas agilitys.

I'm sure,should be 99

Injury Tolerance: B


Here's a Garrincha Video. If Messi should be 99, Garrincha has to be a 103.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V6y5P050M



Here's a Leo Messi video.10 minutes dribbling-agility compilatition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJGjEdlqPg


garrincha incredible agility player but messis more agility than garrincha.

garrincha 50's 60' years player.

messi 2000's years player.

messi 99 garrinha 99


why attack only 80

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