Clarence Seedorf

[Fides]

[nico90]

What do you think about his shooting stats? I personally consider them too high, expecially accuracy.

[zuo]

i agree with Spinal in everything.....but i also suggest a little lowering of SA and ST,with a little bump of the shot power.......he has to be dangerous also from the 35 M line.....he scored some unbelivable goals from the distance,i don't see 5 ORANGE pts between him and Gerrard.

[A-SK]

Balance is overrated (IMO)

[zuo]

balance is 4-6 pts overrated......this also affects on headers....if you play against him,he could reach aerial balls from midfielders in the 180-183 cm range too....something that almost never happens in reality

[zuo]

i think it's time to update him......
- well Balance is surely overrated,i think that 84-85 would be a fair enough number for him. with an 85,he wouldnt be outmuscled easy by Stankovic (+6 cm,-1 Kg, -3 Bal) a little stronger than cambiasso (+1 cm,+2 kg,-4 Bal)

- For the Technique thing i think that he could be lowered a little,i feel that current Pato and Di Natale trapping is sligthly better than Clarence's. For the first touch i'd like to see him at his best in par of others veterans like Camoranesi and Nedved (87)

- For the condition thing:i don't think it's fair lowering to 7 his condition,this player has got an average of almost 47 Matches played for year in the last SEVEN seasons.His 7 in condition would be a fake 7....maybe he's not a perfect 8,but surely with the last little decrease in stamina he fits the 8 better.

- Jump: he do not win a lot aerial balls at all in reality,and with is very good BB in the game is able to catch a pretty good number of balls.
Searching a place to him in the ladder,(keeping in mind also BB and Height+Weight) i think that 73 it's the number that best suits him,1 point less than 178 cm(lesser BB) Zauri and 2 point less than 177 cm Rocchi for example.these two players are more prone also to do aerial battles than him,who tends to avoid.


Final summary:
Bal:85
Tec:87
Jump:73
Condition:Still 8


i propose a little poll about his consistency,considering that he plays well like 20% of his games in a year.

i'm waiting for answers please

[master smurf]

Spot on on your analysis Zuo - I agree

Consistency should be a 3-4 IMO, 5 means you play well most of the time if you are playing once a week with the 6 - 8 for players who play well increasingly for most of their games (if i'm correct)

[nico90]

I agree with zuo, for consistency i will say 4

[jmg721]

I have no problems with Zuo's suggestions

[BECKS23LA]

Again, what about my stats ?

There is my suggestion, coe he needs an update tbh

Name: Clarence SEEDORF



Club: AC Milan
Number: 10
Position: CM*, AM, SM
Nationality: Dutch
Age: 32 (01/04/1976)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 176 cm
Weight: 76 kg

Attack: 77
Defence: 62
Balance: 84 (Strong for his size, but not that strong, not as strong as Rooney)
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 78
Acceleration: 78
Response: 82
Agility: 79
Dribble Accuracy: 85
Dribble Speed: 79
Short Pass Accuracy: 83
Short Pass Speed: 88
Long Pass Accuracy: 83 ( accurate LP Not 80 god damn it Adriano has 78)
Long Pass Speed: 84
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 90
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 75
Curling: 78
Header: 73
Jump: 76
Technique: 86 (nice First touch, but not Excellent)
Aggression: 78
Mentality: 77 (not that Lazy!!)
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85
Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 7 (Plays several games in a row, but not like Lampard)
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot frequency: 5
Consistency: 5

Special Abilities:
*Tactical dribble
*Passing
*Middle shooting
*1-Touch Pass
*Outside

[zuo]

Again, what about my stats ?

There is my suggestion, coe he needs an update tbh

Name: Clarence SEEDORF



Club: AC Milan
Number: 10
Position: CM*, AM, SM
Nationality: Dutch
Age: 32 (01/04/1976)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 176 cm
Weight: 76 kg

Attack: 77
Defence: 62
Balance: 84 (Strong for his size, but not that strong, not as strong as Rooney)
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 78
Acceleration: 78
Response: 82
Agility: 79
Dribble Accuracy: 85
Dribble Speed: 79
Short Pass Accuracy: 83
Short Pass Speed: 88
Long Pass Accuracy: 83 ( accurate LP Not 80 god damn it Adriano has 78)
Long Pass Speed: 84
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 90
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 75
Curling: 78
Header: 73
Jump: 76
Technique: 86 (nice First touch, but not Excellent)
Aggression: 78
Mentality: 77 (not that Lazy!!)
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85
Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 7 (Plays several games in a row, but not like Lampard)
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot frequency: 5
Consistency: 5

Special Abilities:
*Tactical dribble
*Passing
*Middle shooting
*1-Touch Pass
*Outside

MEN 77?
we r talking of the same seedorf right?
in every trackback he WALKS.....

[Angel of Death]

Agree with suggestions

[BECKS23LA]

Mine or his

[Markulur]

Mine or his

STOP SPAMMING!!!

[BECKS23LA]

And u don't go off-topic

[Paddy]

[HitMan]

balance may well be overrated, but a value of 84-85 seems awfuly low to me for a player that has been considered one of the toughest players in terms of body balance when he was in his prime, i dont see him any lower than 86 at the moment, therefore i disagree with this huge BB reduction.

[tejesjani]

agree with this
BB:86
Agility: 79
Short Pass Speed: 88
Shot Technique: 82
Jump: 76
Aggression: 78
Team Work: 85

i suggest remove the passing star , his passing isn't better than Stankovic who has 80/84
Seedorf has a'lot bad passes

[Rfuna]

updating with the following previous suggestions:

Defence @ 66
BB @ 86
agility @ 79
SPS @ 88
ST @ 79
Jump @ 76
TW @ 84
Condition @ 6
Consistency @ 5

thoughts?

[zuo]

updating with the following previous suggestions:

Defence @ 66
BB @ 86
agility @ 79
SPS @ 88
ST @ 79
Jump @ 76
TW @ 84
Condition @ 6
Consistency @ 5

thoughts?

condition 6? he plays basically every game,is yours a typing error,Rfuna?

[BiG TeL]

updating with the following previous suggestions:

Defence @ 66
BB @ 86
agility @ 79
SPS @ 88
ST @ 79
Jump @ 76
TW @ 84
Condition @ 6
Consistency @ 5

thoughts?

I agree with all except for Condition. Like zuo said, I think 7 (or 8) is a must.

IMO you must edit the first post and lock the thread (as you did with Inzaghi).