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Ivica Olić

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 22:02

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2009 Feb 22, 17:42

Heui wrote:common suggestions on Mentality:

95 ( :roll: )
90/91
86-88
mid 80's

I agree with CrO_WoNdEr and his suggestion of 91 or even 92.

now let me hear your opinion so we can finally change his Mentality


Personally from what I saw in the Euro's hes like a faster version of Kuyt.
I certainly wouldn't have any problems with a 95

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby PMC » 2009 Feb 22, 17:56

yes he's like Kuyt... I wonder why he's rated technically better than Eduardo though while its really the opposite

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Sean_19 » 2009 Mar 08, 09:57

Yes, I think his Technique needs to be lowered, that's his big weakness.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby BECKS23LA » 2009 Mar 08, 10:13

Sean_19 wrote:Yes, I think his Technique needs to be lowered, that's his big weakness.


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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Martok6 » 2009 Mar 08, 12:29

BECKS23LA wrote:
Sean_19 wrote:Yes, I think his Technique needs to be lowered, that's his big weakness.


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Indeed.
He in fact is barely able to stop a ball. I suggest 76 for tech.
Some other suggestions: His weak foot is not that good. He actually does everything with left. I would say 5, 6 at maximum.
Mentality: Just needs to be higher, somewhere in the 90s, I say 92.
His LPA is horrible. Should be somewhere in the high 60s. I cannot remember ONE cross reaching its destination.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Sean_19 » 2009 Mar 08, 18:13

Martok6 wrote:
BECKS23LA wrote:
Sean_19 wrote:Yes, I think his Technique needs to be lowered, that's his big weakness.


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Indeed.
He in fact is barely able to stop a ball. I suggest 76 for tech.
Some other suggestions: His weak foot is not that good. He actually does everything with left. I would say 5, 6 at maximum.
Mentality: Just needs to be higher, somewhere in the 90s, I say 92.
His LPA is horrible. Should be somewhere in the high 60s. I cannot remember ONE cross reaching its destination.


Agree on everything, I think even an 74 for Tech would fit him.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby calleklein » 2009 Mar 09, 00:53

Updated

Raised his Mentality to 91
Lowered his LPA & Technique
Lowered his WFA and WFF from 7 to 6
I think these are the main Points for a common Agreement about him.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2009 Mar 19, 15:34

guys i just read an article about Ivica Olic..he runs average 12 km per match and 3 km of them are sprinted..and then Olic was the fastest player on the euro with 31.76km/h and the second place goes to Odonkor who was 1,64 km/h slower , now why does odonkor have TS/ACC 94/94 and Olic only 89/90 i don't think that there's such a big difference sooo i would like to suggest 92 TS and 94 ACC

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 19, 21:55

the statistic says he beat him once :roll:

I'm fine with the recent speed stats

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Sean_19 » 2009 Mar 21, 10:58

Heui wrote:the statistic says he beat him once :roll:

I'm fine with the recent speed stats


Agree, 89/90 is absolutley fine

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 21, 12:25

are you guys sure he's close to Lavezzi in terms of ball treatment?

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 21, 18:23

You mean DA?

I don't know Levezzi well, but IMO Olic deserves a mid 80 value for DA. He's one of the beter dribbler in Bundesliga.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 21, 18:24

Heui wrote:You mean DA?

I don't know Levezzi well, but IMO Olic deserves a mid 80 value for DA. He's one of the beter dribbler in Bundesliga.


okay fine to me... Lavezzi is that guy @ Napoli but nvm

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 21, 18:30

I know who he is, but I don't have any coverage of Italian football, so I don't know how he behaves on the pitch, what player he is like, you know ;)

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 21, 19:22

theres compilations of him on youtube... he's a superb dribbler... to me Olic has always been more of a 80/81 type of dribbler but you surely know him better

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Oriello » 2009 Mar 21, 23:20

I am confused as whether his Weak Foot Accuracy was updated the7 or not? :? I followed the discussion and jorgebalano seemed to have convinced Heui, than update ensued but the first post remains with a 6, was there further posts that argued against that have since been deleted?

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 22, 00:33

Heui wrote:I changed it to 7 for the time being.

It seems like CrO_WoNdEr changed it back to 6 because I don't even colour 6. I never do :S

@PMC: Well, it actually depends on your standards. The players of La Liga and Seria A are technical more gifted than Buli players or at least the style of their play make them look like better dribblers. But why should I rate one of the best dribblers of Buli at 80?

If that'd be the case no one in Buli would scratch the 85 mark (except Ribery)

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby PMC » 2009 Mar 22, 01:06

Heui wrote:
Heui wrote:I changed it to 7 for the time being.

It seems like CrO_WoNdEr changed it back to 6 because I don't even colour 6. I never do :S

@PMC: Well, it actually depends on your standards. The players of La Liga and Seria A are technical more gifted than Buli players or at least the style of their play make them look like better dribblers. But why should I rate one of the best dribblers of Buli at 80?

If that'd be the case no one in Buli would scratch the 85 mark (except Ribery)


maybe its just a cliche but where I'm from Olic is considered pretty much a hustler, i didnt know he was rated that highly in such an area but its okay

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Martok6 » 2009 Mar 22, 10:11

Olic is not that great at dribbling. His tricks are actually pretty weak. If I had to rate him, I would give him a 79
He passes opponents due to his speed, not his tricks.

Comparison to other players:
Trochowski: 85
Marin: 85
Guerrero: 84

Pitroipa: 81
Jansen: 81

The first three are clearly better than Olic at DA, and his current value puts him in that area.
Jansen and Pitroipa are slightly better.
He should have 80 at maximum.

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Re: Ivica OLIĆ

Postby Heui » 2009 Mar 22, 19:11

DA is not only about trick variety but also comtroling the ball in a 1on1 situation (together with Technique). Olic is able to pass two/three players not only by his speed but also due to his close hold of the ball.

Martok, it's not said that the players you named are rated correctly.

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