Walter Busse, Manta FC

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Walter Busse, Manta FC

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Christiancito » 2012 Jan 30, 02:41

SB? WTF?
Side: R. In Independente he has never played on the left side.
And in my opinion his injury tolerance would be C.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby xeneize » 2012 Jan 30, 03:02

Christiancito wrote:SB? WTF?


sure he never played as SB? i remember some matches of him in that position... you and victor know him better, but if i remember well i remember him playing there

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Christiancito » 2012 Jan 30, 03:10

xeneize wrote:
Christiancito wrote:SB? WTF?


sure he never played as SB? i remember some matches of him in that position... you and victor know him better, but if i remember well i remember him playing there

Never. In Gallego's era, he played as SMF. SB was Vella or Vallés.
When he returns, played as WBR in Mohamed's era because 'el Turco' played with 3 defenders. And in the few matches that he played with Ramón, he did as RSMF.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Jan 30, 13:38

In Gimnasia de Jujuy played in that position many times.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Christiancito » 2012 Jan 30, 15:11

I do not know how many are "many times" to you hahah, I remember that before leaving Gimnasia de Jujuy playing as AMF. Just in case, if so, 3 years ago he was Gimnasia de Jujuy and did not play in that position.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Jan 30, 15:14

Yes but he's not playing by a long time. This set needs a general overhaul but we can't do it as he isn't playing.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Feb 20, 01:12

How I missed this guy. Very good match, doing right decisions and running like a criminal. Being important in team connections and going forward with excellent crosses in the right side. Pretty similar his stamina to Rivero's if you ask me.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Christiancito » 2012 Feb 20, 05:44

If given more games as a starter, he will continue to evolve, I have no doubts.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby xeneize » 2012 Feb 20, 16:48

glad to see him again... i realy like this player :mrgreen:

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby lucardax5d » 2012 Jul 16, 15:47

99,9% possible new player of Huracán. I think have been played very little lately, but obviously he starts to play you must build a new set, starting diminish their STA, C/F and I/C.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Jul 16, 17:09

The same of what Matias been saying to you in at least 5 players...please make suggestions or possible updates when players aren't in Huracán or with chances to be there...imho are useless with all respect...cause it's obvious you don't know well those players and it isn't trustable at all.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Dimon » 2012 Jul 16, 17:45

I would decrease:

DEF from 65 to 60. Never understood this number, even in his best times he wasn't good tackler, technically opponents can pass him without a lot of troubles, but because of his speed and quickness he was a problem. 60 is enough to represent him correctly.

BAL from 75 to 73. 75 is a number of some strength, and he is quite weak. It's like defense: not very good, but speed compensate the lack of this skill.

STA from 86 to 84. In five (or something like this) his last matches he played only 45 minutes and was substitute not only because of tactical changes, but also because of get tired. Still I believe in his skill, but 84 is good for now.

Head and Jump also look strange, but I'm not sure about numbers, maybe HEAD 68-69 and JUMP 73-75.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby jorgecavs » 2012 Jul 16, 17:50

Are sure his BB, I think he could have white in that area even 60's, but do not I know enough to give a solid and coherent argumentation on his BB, only a vague comparison with Papa (74).

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Jul 16, 17:58

Well I wouldn't touch nothing tbh as he didn't play so much for a long time...and he played little but imo that wasn't cause he hadn't stamina...Cristian Diaz didn't take into account and neither Ramón Díaz before, after his incident with whores and his long injurie. He's good defending, far better than an average SMF, but imo will be the best wait how he develops in Huracán -if he goes there- to have solid numbers instead of make assumptions, even when I watch all his games in Independiente...i'd rather keep my opinion far of being said to get better arguments ;)

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Dimon » 2012 Jul 17, 00:32

Can't agree. It's good to wait watch him playing in Huracan, but about DEF and BAL I tacked in count even his best times (and I watch all Independiente games too). With DEF 65 he is above of many of SBs and it isn't correct. And even with DEF 60 he still be over almost all of argentinians SMFs. And BAL 73 for sure, he is a weak player which compensate it with his speed and fighting.

Also I think that Busse isn't the same after those injury, he almost never played after it - surely because of big drop in the skills, I don't think that coaches was against him, it's just because he became mediocre, which confirms with his performances when he played. So, I think he need a lot more decreases, but here we can wait.

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En pasado me gustaba Busse, yo pensaba que el debe jugar en la Seleccion, pero hay que reconocer que hasta en la era de Gallego Busse rapidamente se convierto en un burro que corre y corre y nada mas. Tecnicamente bajo su nivel en aquellos tiempos. Y despues de lesion bajo un poquito lo fisico (y lo tecnico tambien un poquito). Lamentablemente, pero hay que reconocer esas cosas.


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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby lucardax5d » 2012 Jul 17, 02:30

Se sabe que el Sexto Grande está en La Quema,
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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby Vickingo » 2012 Jul 17, 03:06

Dimon wrote:Can't agree. It's good to wait watch him playing in Huracan, but about DEF and BAL I tacked in count even his best times (and I watch all Independiente games too). With DEF 65 he is above of many of SBs and it isn't correct. And even with DEF 60 he still be over almost all of argentinians SMFs. And BAL 73 for sure, he is a weak player which compensate it with his speed and fighting.


Yeah, I understand your point and I agree mate. But we can't raise/decrease his numbers if he didn't demonstrate cause he didn't play so much. Now we have the chance to watch him regularely -I think in Huracán in 2nd division he'll play more- and there's no hurry to update him. Btw, I've never said he currently deserves 65 in DEF, I've just said he's good at defending.

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Re: Walter BUSSE

Postby lucardax5d » 2012 Oct 19, 13:34

I play's in the PES with this numbers (very necesarys). He not its a play god, he deserves this updated.

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Delete WB (he's a SM, but can plays of the RSB or CM in the double five)

Injury Tolerance: C

Attack: 72
Defence: 55
Balance: 74
Stamina: 82
Acceleration: 82
Response: 73
Dribble Accuracy: 78
Dribble Speed: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 75
Short Pass Speed: 76
Long Pass Accuracy: 76
Long Pass Speed: 76
Shot Accuracy: 71
Shot Power: 79
Shot Technique: 71
Free Kick Accuracy: 69
Curling: 76
Header: 67
Jump: 74
Technique: 79
Aggression: 78
Mentality: 67
Teamwork: 78

Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

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Re: Walter Busse

Postby Vickingo » 2013 Aug 08, 14:05

Loaned to _arg Defensa y Justicia.

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Re: Walter Busse

Postby Vickingo » 2014 Feb 12, 15:56

He's playing pretty well this season, is starter playing as RMF. He's showing a good stamina and nice teamwork but i think his da isn't good at all, nice pace sometimes and decent tackling. Still the set is pretty overrated, no way he could get that mentality nowadays as well as that att/def ratio, that passing and specially that technique.

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