Neven Subotić

[Paddy]

Double Nationality: Serbian / US-American

[s-cobar]

I´m fine with your suggestions at all, but I don´t like to talk about him at the moment.

[MaxPower]

Epic bullying!!

[vinnie]

shades of keown

[blok.attak]

read rules

[Mr. Evans]

Arguably the second best defender in the BL behind Hummels. Could use an update I think.

[furymaker]

Agree with you , quite underrated

[Paddy]

Completely different style of defender to Hummels mind you.

[Diego]

Out of curiosity, Bull or Dog?

[jurgens]

Bull. I don't have time to explain values atm, but he should be above hummels in def.. hummels is too high in def though. He should be much below hummels in response ( I think his is too high too so I won't suggest any values as the comparison is off). He is slow and acc needs to be much lower aswell as agility, he should have higher LPA too, his long passing is pretty good. And TW should be highish, I'm not sure on specifics, nothing crazy but a 82-84 ish. Ment should be a good bit higher too. Bal higher too.

[Mr. Evans]

Why is Hummels' DEF too high? Top defender really. Don't think Subotic beats him in terms of DEF tbh.

[čale]

agree with Mike here. Hummels is just pure class, but his stupidity and constant overlapping can be idiotic at times.

[jurgens]

Why is Hummels' DEF too high? Top defender really. Don't think Subotic beats him in terms of DEF tbh.

I just felt hes much more likely to make a mistake than subotic and he relies on his response, and it's much more important to him than subotic, hummels beats him in basically everything else though (bar tw). I think hummels is a high combo of all things a defender needs (bar TW, and obvious speed/agility stats) but not really exceptional at any bar strenght and technical skills)

[Kruger13]

Don't let BVB team work bind all of you from reality. I don't see Subotic over Hummels in nothing except his TW.

-DEF: I wouldn't go higher than 84. He has a decent positional sense but nothing extraordinary. For me, Badstuber is better than him in all defensive aspects like tackle, timing, behaviour and others. Of course, that if we compare him to players from other leagues his DEF value is extremely low as Evans David Luiz and other of his players - just as example. Im fine with current value.

-RES: Probably he needs higher DEF than RES but no 100% sure. Hummels in the one that goes an anticipate mark. But he (Mats) can play as defensive defender and as a responsive defender that is why his both values must be quite similar - though DEF over his RES because he is very clean at his recovers. Same im fine with current value.

-BAL: I agree with higher value. He is very strong at physic duels. I'll go for an 89.

-ACC: Agree with a higher gap between ACC and TS. I remembered that he has ACC>TS value I think he can sit at low 70s - Probably 70-72.

-AGI: Agree with lower value. He was at 78 (:shock: x2) I think he can be 69-70.

-LPA/LPS: Found him around mid/high greens (77-79) in terms of accuracy and probably mid yellows (82) in terms of speed.

-MENT/TW: Not sure of a higher MEMT value, screaming as idiot as he did with Robben doesn't look for me as 'attitude" or 'fighting against adversity"'. About TW, as i said i think is in the only stat that he can be be over Hummels. I would give Mats Konami's value 78 and for Neven i will go something between mid yellows.

Why is Hummels' DEF too high? Top defender really. Don't think Subotic beats him in terms of DEF tbh.

Because with the use of your sets from your ALt Sec in main site kills all comparisons/standards. There is like a must to use unreal values (more higher - in almost all cases) to compensate that differences between players. Kills everything.

[jurgens]

Don't let BVB team work bind all of you from reality. I don't see Subotic over Hummels in nothing except his TW.

That doesn't really make sense. Why would his team influence how good he is as a defender? It's not like they have 70% possesion every match or something. subotic is a great defender


heres what I'm using


Name: NEVEN SUBOTIC

Club: ?
Number: ?
Position: CB*
Nationality: Serbian
Age: 22 (xx-yy-1990)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 193
Weight: 88

Attack: 62
Defence: 86
Balance: 90
Stamina: 77
Top Speed: 76
Acceleration: 70
Response: 83
Agility: 67
Dribble Accuracy: 74
Dribble Speed: 72
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 79
Long Pass Accuracy: 80
Long Pass Speed: 84
Shot Accuracy: 61
Shot Power: 85
Shot Technique: 60
Free Kick Accuracy: 62
Curling: 61
Header: 86
Jump: 82
Technique: 73
Aggression: 68
Mentality: 84
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 82

Injury Tolerance: A
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

S07 - Man Marking
S08 - Slide Tackle
P06 - Pinpoint Pass

[čale]

like it a lot, not much to add really...

[furymaker]

i agree , we could update current one with this one from jurgens , its much better than default one

[jurgens]

what say you kruger, do you find my endowed stats stupid?

[Kruger13]

Yes. I do. Just kiding... Or not?
I think the set overall is really good. Most of values are similar to my suggested ones in previous post. Except for AGI that seems im a bit generous rating it and DEF that i don't see him in that level (personal appreciation) but is only a 1-2 points difference so i can live with it. Green lights from here.

[conker8]

Why did you not set up Attack and Shooting stats from your set?
Also, it seems you forget to add the cards/stars.

[Steven Gerrard]

Yes yes Add Pinpoint Pass and Cards .
Is to build on offense very well , how do you reduce the value of the attack .
Value 64-66 Good .