Arturo Vidal

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[zuo]

this set has some sort of "misconceptions" IMO .
he moves a lot but isn't rare that he misplaces passes . even not very difficult ones .
so i'd probably switch his SPA with his TW.....even by 2 pts. possibly balancing with aggression too....and not going far too up with TW
cause he isn't everywhere in the offensive phase. in the defensive he is , but DEF and Resp has to do with that too.
also , i really believe his SA is better than ST. isn't unfrenquently that he skyes shots when pressured or on 2 touch shots after crosses.....
also , i'll say this for the last time i believe, he isn't taller than 179 cms imo.....so maybe his jump value should be settled after defining his real height. he clearly isn't 181

[MaxPower]

I'd also insist in switching Awareness to BAL. With that current value in AGG and Free Roaming makes him too unbalanced, even when he's a B2B player.

[čale]

it was already agree that his passing needs to get a downgrade, he's no more than an 80 in SPA...

regarding TW, i just have to disagree, he is far from a supportive player in the offense, his decision making is questionable at best at times, and he's at times selfish when it's the least needed, he roams frequently out of his position as well.

agree on shooting as well, he clearly can't shoot under pressure for shit, he just sucks at this aspect regardless...i'd say SA 74 ST 72.

and yes, he's by no means higher than Marchisio. all sites have him listed between 178 and 180.

btw, changed Awareness to BAL.

[Jez]

agree on shooting as well, he clearly can't shoot under pressure for shit, he just sucks at this aspect regardless...i'd say SA 74 ST 72.

If he's really that bad at it, don't hesitate to put him in the 60's just because he's a Midfielder A 72 is still an okay value

[Alexalibur]

I noticed that he has the *Penalties ability, does he deserve it? If so, he's missing the identical card.

[čale]

@Jez

he's a random shooter, going on 60's would be considered harsh even for him...oh, and i'm totally against going by the arguments which position a player plays, that pure BS just like you said.

@Alex

10+ pen's scored in Bundesliga last season without a miss, 2 this year, no misses so far

[andy4ita]

From what I read, you clearly watched a very few of Vidal's performance this year and you didn't even consider the statistics and statement i posted, you're underestimating him.

[čale]

oh i get it, you're just mad because i didn't respond to your post where you made a total overkill of him? do you even take a look at the set in the first post and the stats which are there before you post suggestions which clearly don't hold their ground and are based 99% on whoscored.com? I don't watch Juve games, is that so? In the last 6 years, i've maybe missed 10 games of my team. I'd urge you to restrain yourself from presenting facts such as "you don't watch him" when you absolutely have no clue if i watch a certain team or not, that's total bullcrap and utter trolling.

[jurgens]

I thought I deleted his post. Really, if your going to resort to "you don't watch this team" just don't bother posting. If you can't come up with shit better than that, no one wants to read your post.

[Basilio]

His passes are no good, average at best. Konami stats fits him way better for passing, his passes are too simple when he doesnt fuck them, specially his SPS, he spreads passes to the flank and pirlo, when he does actually manages to mantain possesion! And even in those passes that are a few yards away the pace on them is poor. I didnt post before because he played interesting passes the last games, both long and short, even through balls, and thats basically what retains me to go for konami's, i'd use it as a base though, IMO he is something like these: SPA 81, SPS 77, LPA 80, LPS 76. I like the idea of SA>ST, he doesnt have this DA IMO and I question his TS

[čale]

agree on that, we've been dwelling on these issues for months now...also lowered mentality to suit new standards.

[Alexalibur]

Just give him the Penalty taker card and let me die in peace.

[čale]

i hate the editor...fixed it.

[Alexalibur]

Spoiler: show

[čale]

i give up...i need help on this...

[PESorISS]

Best enforcer in the europe this season, judging by number of successful tackles, also he is included in all team of the season lists that I saw (goal.com, sky, whoscored...)
Increase in TS, ACC, RESP wouldn't harm him

[čale]

if you've read the discussion prior to this page you'd have found reason and explanations on why his TS and ACC were decreased. And also the RES 90 mirrors his ability to intercept in-game as much as he does IRL.

[jurgens]

just wanted to barge in and say that i agree that there is no way of Carrick being above Vidal when going head-to-head on the 11/12 season, Vidal has been arguably one of the finest DMF's in the world this year.

Just wanted tp bring this here rather than carrick thread. But thought Vidal was on 76 def, 88 response. Anways I'll say what I was gonna say regardless. Vidals defintly one of the worlds best atm, but is it his def? Imo it's not his strongest point and he dosn't need anymore really. But his response and energy is really, really impressive. Hes an easy 90 in response if you ask me, and at least 90 stamina.

[čale]

definitely agree on what you said, but my intention wasn't a direct comparison on playing styles, it was more due to position in the team, Vidal is a destroyer while Carrick is the DLP, thus a comparison is out of the question. what i was implying was that just comparing the position, purely position (not tactical role) Vidal has been better in the definition of the DMF. ofcourse that Vidal is still superior with great RES and his tackles might "seem" rash and reckless, but the fact is that he gives quite little fouls per game meaning that his tackles are clean as a whistle. that said, i just can't see Carrick being above him, an 75 would more than suffice, but i wouldn't argue an 76.

And agree on RES being 90.

[Mr. Evans]

He definitely needs more STA, 92 if you ask me. I disagree with orange RES though. It's his combination incredible energy, great response, pace and aggresiveness that makes him such a headache for opposition teams, getting into a lot of challenges but he'll be too much of an interceptor with higher RES, he's a good interceptor but not special, and I don't find him that unbelievably responsive. Reminds of Essien, who had a similar incredible combo which made effective defensively.

Carrick's not a deep-lying playmaker. He's simply an accurate passer but not a playmaker, Mikel is similar. He's a ball-stealer, he failed as a playmaker. Vidal is superior in certain aspects but Carrick is superior in different aspects of