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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Bayern stats pack

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 05, 14:33

I`ve deleted my old stats thread, cause it was in a phase where I wasn´t close to PES at all and handle other things.
This new stats thread is mostly for GKs. Just to have a genreal update of different, interesting GKs all over the world.

Mostly it`s about the current one, but I`ll also do some classics, cause the histroy of football had some fanatastic GKs.

Explantions
Defintion of a GK
Definition of a GK Part II

current players
Buffon vs. Cech
Serie A GK Bundle
Hart vs. Neuer
Courtois vs. Szczesny
Julio Cesar
Viviano vs. De Sanctis
Casillas vs. Valdes
Marchetti vs. Frey
Boruc vs. Storari
Bayern stats pack

classics
Peter Schmeichel
Sepp Maier
Toldo vs. Pagliuca
Effenberg vs. Ballack
Makaay vs. Elber
L. Matthäus
van der Sar vs. Barthez

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby CHarper » 2012 Apr 12, 15:54

s-cobar wrote:looks much better with spoiler. thanks

you're welcome :D ..yes! look much better. more order

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby CHarper » 2012 Apr 12, 16:02

CHarper wrote:I think this season, JChas been infected some of his peers, is still a good GK, but not as spectacular as in the past.
some goals conceded here, I'm sure that would not have given if he had not been "infected".
against Roma
Spoiler: show

against Bologna
Spoiler: show

Fail against Bosnia
Spoiler: show



By the way, at the goal of Bosnia, the ball was deflected and changed the direction

with all respect, you are wrong S-Cobar, check the video frame by frame and no deviation, the ball does not touch on D. Luiz.
here a video with higher resolution:
Spoiler: show


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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 12, 17:32

decreased the balance of De Sanctis a bit.

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 13, 02:47

CHarper wrote:
Spoiler: show




any videos more current? .. these are 2010/2011


I specifically stated I'm talking about last year, why would I post videos from this year, to show how he was still good last year?


CHarper wrote:I think this season, JChas been infected some of his peers, is still a good GK, but not as spectacular as in the past.
some goals conceded here, I'm sure that would not have given if he had not been "infected".
against Roma
Spoiler: show

against Bologna
Spoiler: show

Fail against Bosnia
Spoiler: show


Why do you post these as proof that hes not been as spectcular as in the past? These just show what I said earlier, 85% of all goals conceded he couldn't have done anything.

VS ROMA

Goal 1: Corner, great header from Juan close to the bottom corner, Cesar was still close to reaching it.

Goal 2: Basically one one one, 5 yards out.

Goal 3: Lol one on one again, 5 yards out very close to getting it.

Goal 4: Great finish, right in the bottom corner.

So there you have 4 goals. One corner, two one on ones, and one perfect finish. How can this show hes not as good?


VS BOLOGNA

GOAL 1: 5 yards out. FLAWLESS finish, inch perfect. Di Viao's still a beast.

GOAl 2: lol one on one again, excellent finish, right in the corner again.

GOAL 3: All defenders to his back, essentially one on one, great finish in the bottom corner.

VS BOSNIA

Shot deflected.

These are all situations where you'd expect to offensive player to score 90% of the time. Keeper would need to pull off super man saves to get any of them.
You can't put any blame on Cesar for any of these, inter leave with an impossible situation and hes left for dead.

I mean just look at this for a classic example of what inter does to cesar.
http://www.goalsarena.org/video/italy-s ... na_en.html

Samuels mistake leaves the attacker past the defenders, essentially a goal. Cesar still pulls of two amazing saves, nothing he could do for the last, unfortunate parry.

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby Defo » 2012 Apr 13, 03:39

+1 for Peter Schmeichel, I'm pretty curious to see how you rate him as he's basically the best goalkeeper ever according to Konami.

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby CHarper » 2012 Apr 13, 05:52

jurgens wrote:VS BOSNIA

Shot deflected.


shot deflected??????
you are sure the ball was diverted?
an ant deflected the ball? :lol:
the shot is straight and not be diverted,
review the video again
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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 13, 06:09

Looks liek it hit of luiz's legs to me... it's terrible quality though, hard to see.

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby CHarper » 2012 Apr 13, 06:22

check all chronic and give as blame for the error at JC
describe it as "horrible", then that means there is no such deviation

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 13, 06:46

Regardless, it still doesnt tell us anything

every keeper fucks up...
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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 10:14

Total, videos are not a good example. You can make any goalie good or bad with videos. it comes in so many little things on goalkeepers. cesar is probably the goalkeeper, I've watched the most, in the last three years. yes he had a really lousy season. But that was the year after the triple. It is difficult for you to motivate you after that big thing and he seemed tired. But he has overcome this phase. Of course, he still makes errors. that is why he has not 99 everywhere, everyone makes errors. It's about consider the whole. as he moves, how he handles the whole situation. I am convinced of its values. jurgens and I took our time. he has so often this season Inter kept in play. saved. I can not mention every single instance. but everyone who has seen Inter in a couple of games, know what I mean. I like how he looks in my ladder. in the balance with the others. I was asked yesterday whether or not I can cech make a point better in ks, but I am against it. cech is higher in defense and because I like the overall balance. when I see how they handle the ball and parry between the post and acting, I think that both should be on a level, with the difference that cech is higher in defense and cesar in response.

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 10:27

edit: changed Buffon KS to 97 - yes Rob, I`m with you

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - JC,Viviano,De Sanc.

Postby BigStu » 2012 Apr 13, 10:30

I'm drafting a reina set using your defintions, when I've finished could you look them over see if I'm on the right track?

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 10:47

Image vs. Image

Real Madrid CF Club FC Barcelona
Iker CASILLAS Name Víctor VALDÉS
I.CASILLAS Shirt Name VALDES
1 Number 1
GK Positions GK
_esp Nationality _esp
30 (20/05/1981) Age 30 (14/01/1982)

182 cm Height 183 cm
85 kg Weight 78 kg

B Injury Tolerance B
L Foot R
B Side B

30 Attack 40
97 Defence 94
83 Balance 85
69 Stamina 69
75 Top Speed 75
72 Acceleration 77
97 Response 95
79 Agility 82
55 Dribble Accuracy 63
57 Dribble Speed 61
63 Short Pass Accuracy 68
64 Short Pass Speed 67
64 Long Pass Accuracy 69
68 Long Pass Speed 75
44 Shot Accuracy 44
81 Shot Power 83
44 Shot Technique 44
44 Free Kick Accuracy 44
48 Curling 52
55 Header 55
85 Jump 84
52 Technique 65
67 Aggression 75
93Mentality 86
95 Keeper Skills 93
83 Teamwork 80

7 Condition/Fitness 7
4 Weak Foot Accuracy 4
4 Weak Foot Frequency 3

★ Penalty Stopper / ★ 1-on-1 Stopper SPECIAL ABILITIES: ★ Penalty Stopper / ★ 1-on-1 Stopper


S11 / S12 - 1-on-1 Keeper - Penalty Saver PLAYER INDEX CARDS: S11 / S12 - 1-on-1 Keeper - Penalty Saver


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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 10:50

@Stu: no problem, like to see your set

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 13, 10:58

Looks good, basically the exact area I have them both. One thing though, valdes's balance should be over casillias... if were using the old defeintion and if were just using the whole strenght in coming out etc... and valdes is deceptivly strong, far more so that casillias

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 11:01

I`ve Iker first on 83

edit: changed balance of Iker back to 83, but will this test one more time

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Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby bitz » 2012 Apr 13, 11:33

Sets look great, proves that Konami's are not far from reality. Btw seeing their pictures side to side, Casillas can't be 85kg while Valdes is 78, Casillas is more likely around 78.
Also I'm wondering, how Konami rates Header for keepers, since they don't get to use their head ingame. Actually I've seen it happen one or two times in PES12 that the keeper rushes out of the area and clears the ball with a header. But it's so rare I doubt they rate it according to this. The reason I'm wondering is they don't hand all keepers the same value for Header (like they do for outfield players with Keeper Skills), but the values range from 40 to 60. Assign them randomly? Dunno.
And last I still have some doubts on what mentality and teamwork do for keepers and how they relate to their overall positioning, especially in PES12 where aggression is absent. It's reall a pain to test keepers, takes x10 the time compared to outfield players. Next time I see a falling star, I' ll wish for a manual by Konami explaining all this stuff.

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 11:48

about the PC/PS3 version I can`t say anything, cause I use PES 11 and 12 on PS 2 and there is still the aggression value and still the stars. So for me mentality is the same like at field players, stay calm even in a strike against. always continue to fight to prove presence. teamwork is also the point of coordination with the defensive. support the adoption of the ball. be integrated to a total of more. get involved. being a goalkeeper, it mainly deals with the coordination with the defensive.

I use the 55 for a header for the reason if they have to handle the ball out of their box. that`s the biggest point. don´t know why konami rated them differently. I can`t see so much situations where I can see a big difference, so I use mostly a standard value

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Re: Re: S-cobar´s stats thread - Casillas vs. Valdes

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Apr 13, 11:52

btw - Reina is away from my request list, cause Stu posted a set of him and I`ve posted my suggestions on it - so same way like De Gea, cause Ballmer posted a set of him and I´ve posted my suggestions

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