Frank Lampard

[Mr. Evans]

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[umphreys11]

no increase in passing, he's good, but not like the best of the premiership

[Brezza]

I think that the stats some him up quite well to be honest, just needs a slight tweak in Speed stats. He isn't super mobile due to his constant pie eating but im sure hes a bit faster or at least equal to Carrick/Ballack . id say Acceleration: 75 top speed: 77/78
id say hes faster with the ball at his feet than him as well so id knock dribble speed up to 75.

73 is a bit too close to Kanu for my liking who pretty much dribbles with the ball at walking pace nowadays

[HitMan]

who do you guys think is a better LPA Lampard or Dani Alves?

[Angel of Death]

I think his balance is a bit underrated i suggest 83-84

[Alien]

I agree that he is underrated. Not sure about BB, but speed is too low, he is not that slow.

[Alcohomicide]

I see a lot of people saying Lampard is under-rated, but I see few values being suggested, or stats even picked out.

Personally, I think Agility should go up to 78/79, and I agree with Brezza on speed. (ACC 75, TS 78 DS 75)

I'd like HitMan to explain the beef with his LPA, too.. I do not see Lampard displaying a wide, difficult array of such passes on a regular basis?? Also, as far as I know, Dani Alves plays in a completely different position, playing a completely different style of football in a completely different league? Is Alves the best example you could find to compare him to, or is there a reason I have ignorantly missed? If so, then I apologise!!

[TheTrueSeto]

perhaps his LPS could get a raise, since he's a midfielder and that means he could make his hollywood passes which he tries all the time slightly more successful, but thats just me

[HitMan]

my point with alves is that i think lampard should be about 2 points above alves, but ofc updating alves to 86 was no problem they can get you 200 agrees if u need in barca thread

and so i say im not sure whether alves should be lowered or lampard increased...but im leaning towards an increase in lampards at least LPA 87

[Alcohomicide]

That's cool. I haven't really paid -enough- attention to Alves long passing this season to say whether he should be above or below Lampard. 88 would put him level with Steven Gerrard, albeit with less speed. I would like to see some expanded discussion, I'm not sure the difficulty of the long passes he attempts warrants an increase of 2-3 points. (I am with you on the Barca threads, BTW!! )

[HitMan]

edited top post alves and lamps are both at 86 so IMO lampard 87

anyway the reasoning behind the increase to lampard is because alves really has some accurate long passes and a few assists with long passing..

anyway i agree with these stats:

BB: 83
TS: 78
ACC: 75
Agi: 79
DS: 75 maybe even 76

more suggestions of mine

FK accuracy: 80 id rate him this high...maybe im exagarating a bit dunno help me out..

header: 75

[Dino]

my point with alves is that i think lampard should be about 2 points above alves, but ofc updating alves to 86 was no problem they can get you 200 agrees if u need in barca thread

Coming from a Juve fan

[Alcohomicide]

Disagree re FK raise. Most of Lampards freekicks end up in row Z.

His accuracy is poor, and it's almost reassuring when he steps up to take them against you, not like with Ballack who can really hurt you on a regular basis. Most of Lampard's FK's are down to SP and SA. He blasts them, there is absolutely little craft involed (But obviously some), and most of them end up in the crowd with a big "Eeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy!!!" His freekicks are realistic in game because you can still score them at a consistent rate similar to IRL I feel. Thoughts?

[Alien]

edited top post alves and lamps are both at 86 so IMO lampard 87

anyway the reasoning behind the increase to lampard is because alves really has some accurate long passes and a few assists with long passing..

anyway i agree with these stats:

BB: 83
TS: 78
ACC: 75
Agi: 79
DS: 75 maybe even 76

more suggestions of mine

FK accuracy: 80 id rate him this high...maybe im exagarating a bit dunno help me out..

header: 75

I agree with these stats except FK acc in which I agree with Alcohomicide and suggest 79. In LPA he is on the same level as Gerrard, so I suggest 88.

[deity86]

Another agree here except for the FKA. I probably think his Acc might actually be a point or two better than a 75, it's something I've noticed more of recently when he's bursting from midfield.

I think his DA might be a little bit underrated too.. he's got good feet in tight situations. What he lacks with pace while dribbling I think he makes up for with his control of the ball. Just a slight bump.. 80/81?

[HitMan]

Attack: 82 (-3 he has *positioning and *reaction, attack this high just overrates him IMO)
BB: 83
TS: 78
ACC: 75
Agi: 79
DA: 81 (imo he is on par with yaya toure in DA)
DS: 76
header: 75
LPA: 87

even though toure trys to dribble more often then lampard i think they are the same in DA, but thats why yaya toure should have *dribbling ..

these are my suggestions, i think it would be usefull if people just did agree/disagree next to each of the suggestions instead of writing their own suggestions again, it would get updates done sooner..

[deity86]

Attack: 82 (Agree that it needs to come down, but think he should be 83 1 above Gerrard)
Balance: 83 (Agree)
Top Speed: 78 (Agree)
Acceleration: 75 (Agree)
Agility: 79 (Agree)
Dribble Accuracy: 81 (Agree)
Dribble Speed: 76 (Agree)
Long Pass Accuracy: 87 (Disagree, think it's fine where it is.)
Header: 75 (Agree)

[Hanson-90]

why at Lempard twisting 84? in fact by the back of leg much heavier to twist a ball I think that his twisting minimum 86 .

[jmg721]

I would say that for agility after looking at the Serie A ladder...that 78 is average. Since when is Lampard "Above Average" in this department

[deity86]

For me personally, I think he's quite adept at turning into space when under pressure. Whether or not that'd be covered by a DA raise + Technique I'm not too sure.. but if you're to go by the Piggyback guide (if you trust it ):

AGILITY

Key attribute for: -
Useful attribute for: Creative players

Agility determines how quickly a player performs kicks, tricks, and general movements. The higher it is, the more rapidly he will perform them. This is especially noticeable with first-time kicks and passes.

Now if this is affected, then surely a slight raise would help. He doesn't take too long to perform 1st time shots/passes. If this shouldn't be taken into consideration then so be it but I still think he's at the very least a couple of point better off than a 77.

[jmg721]

[quote="deity86"]This is especially noticeable with first-time kicks and passesHe already has an 85 ST & 84 Technique....I think he is just fine in his ability to do 1st-touch passes & shots