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Patrick Herrmann

Postby PES Stats Database » 2010 Jul 24, 20:24

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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Malakayi » 2010 Aug 02, 23:42

oops, I forgot Condition, WFA, WFF & Consistency in the first post :>
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby John » 2010 Sep 02, 22:48

i think that his shooting stats are a bit low especially ST. if you have seen his 2 goals against Bayer Leverkusen then you'll understand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqMaCLJQkLQ at 0:47 it shows that he has more ST and SP
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Farfan17 » 2010 Sep 03, 10:35

i would suggest:

Shot Accuracy: 71
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 71
Curling: 77
Team Work: 76

Defence is overrated in my eyes, 60 is to high, i would suggest 48-50

but it was 1 game, we must see him in the next week's and month's ;)
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby John » 2010 Sep 03, 15:05

wow.. what you suggested is very close to what i was thinking:

Shot Accuraccy: 71
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 72
Curling: 76
Teamwork:78

I agree with 50 in defence

and yes we have to wait a few games but he proved that he can score with a very good amount of ST, SP
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Malakayi » 2010 Sep 04, 16:28

I agree with your suggestions
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Malakayi » 2010 Sep 05, 21:54

updated 1st post with Farfan17's and tryfyllaraG9's suggestions.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby stjuart » 2011 Dec 13, 13:35

Great young player. One of the better in monchengladbach. In my opinion his stats for short pass need be higher ( 76 ) and tech. 79.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Hayame » 2012 Jan 20, 21:43

to me he seems to be faster than this.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Jan 20, 21:54

Yes, for sure he is faster than this (not too much, but faster)
I have some thoughts in mind, i will post them during weekend to discuss it.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby PIPA23 » 2012 Jan 21, 02:21

awsome player!
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby VUKDS » 2012 Jan 23, 20:02

Free Roaming maybe from cards ?

Boat of him goals against Bayern were like that.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Jan 23, 21:00

Small introduce:
"Some are already calling the recently turned 20-year old the “new Reus”. While that may be premature his talents are not. Herrmann’s performance and two impressive goals against Bayern may have been the best of his career so far. Even better was his movement and constant running around and in between Bayern’s backline, confusing them and opening up for Reus and Hanke all game long. His consistent performances have even sparked discussion about a possible call up to the national Team for this summer’s Euros."

Here a video were you can appreciate his "typical" attack style:
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Here is Highlights against Werder Bremen, you can see a lot more of him, more about his playing style:
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-Here we can see his speed (in my eyes he is less fast that his teammate Reus, something like TS 85-86 and ACC 86). Videos above are my main argument. 8-)

-P15 – Free Roaming ? Completely agree, this card is just for this kind of players: "A player with a keen eye for goal who surges forward at any given opportunity." Also, Borussia Mönchengladbach tactics is that all offensive players run to attack (typical counter-attack strategy). Also his ATT value can go up, but only +1 to 77, his whole team has good understanding, is like when they attack, all knows exactly where to go and "positionate", even they change positions constantly.

-His SA can go up 2 points, 73 is too harsh and he displayed a better accuracy during this season. About ST, maybe just +1, when he shoots, normally he does cleaning connections without under pressure of a mark. (like vs FCBayern, he was alone). His SP can be increased by 1-2 points, he "fusil" keepers on his definitions.

-He SPA can go up also, for he is better than players like Sam, Dejagah, Ben-Hatira, but not sure better than Schürrle, Großkreutz, Kuba, sometimes same level, because all this players can make very good passes but they are very irrgular on that. So SPA (+2) and about SPS +1 to make a combo with new SPA value.

-He is very agile player, quick body movements, rhythm changes and things like that, so maybe +1 (not sure, for me is more his explosiveness and speed than this). About DA, he improved it, bes control (TECH) and better dribble, so +1 in both attributes can make him look more real, maybe +2 in DA. About his DS, here i will increase 2-3 points (more +2), as you can see on video he maintain a good speed with ball on his feet, and now with "higher" TS and ACC values, is like a combo ;)

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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Maz3r » 2012 Jan 24, 06:28

It's not the most probable case, but I totally agree. The only thing I'm not sure about(you didn't mention it) is, if he doens't need +1/2 STA to represent his costly playing style.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Jan 24, 22:14

Roger that! Stamina raise must be necessary, he displays constants full-speed runs during the match and he is capable to main his level during his time on pitch. Just only ONE FACT, he only played two complete 90 minutes match, at first in this season he was a substitute but then he became a common starter and has been substituted almost in all matches at 80th minutes (average).

P.S: i forget to talk this in my last post, maybe the excitement of the moment.... i guess :oops:
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby VUKDS » 2012 Jan 24, 22:22

Agree with Kruger's suggestions.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Kruger13 » 2012 Jun 09, 03:51

Imo - One of the most underrated players from 1.Bundesliga and from current Gladbach, the team really missed him during his injury. His style of play is/was compare(d) with Reus, wrong from my point of view because for me he is by far much similar to Thomas Müller. He is the kind of player that is always in the right place at the right moment. Casual or not. Pure intelligence, read of the game or not. Who knows? and most important: who f* cares? The fact is that he is always there.

-ATT/RES: I know he is still young but he needs higher ATT (low yellows). About his RES it can be higher too -is hard to give him a high value considering that he plays as SMF and you rate them with low response because they don't need highs values but he is an atypical player just like Müller that breaks that "hidden rule". Probably a +2 in both stats can work.

-BAL: Needs higher BAL, he isn't strong but with current value he is too fragile (77/78).

-AGI: I think is one point or two (max) high. He isnt a kind of player that on base of his dribble or agility left rivals, he is more a pace, agressive, intelligent, responsive player. So, a value like 84/85 looks better for me.

-SA/ST: Hard to say in which one he is better, he has showed a nice shooting technique like some volleys also some nice placed shoots but also some incredible misses. Maybe a 76 SA 77 ST would be better.

-But the most needed for Herrmann is DUMMY RUNNER CARD, sadly that card isn't available for his position. So isn't crazy to give him an attacking position as optional so we can give him that card that is a MUST??. Probably *SS or *WF (i think wing is better).

-Finally, during current season and in last one since Favre's arrival specially, he has been very consistence at his performances. So, probably giving him 6 COND isn't to far from reality.

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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Jun 10, 21:04

sounds good
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Hayame » 2012 Oct 29, 19:19

SS position need to be added. I said to all my friends at the start of the saison that Favre should use him as Reus sub on that position and now Favre seams to have the same idea. The movement in the front seams now much more variable.
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Re: Patrick HERRMANN

Postby Malakayi » 2012 Oct 29, 20:03

yes, it seems as if Favre tries to make him into a new Reus.

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