Rio Ferdinand

[tuco55]

[iman]

when he is free of injuries for a while there isnt anyone better than him.

we have many old defenders but none of them can use their experience so great like Ferdinand , Nesta and Puyol, these men are Legends of our time.

[alawadhi3000]

Carrick and Ferdinand are always calm in possession.

BTW I don't think that Ferdinand weights 77KG only, judging by pictures he should be at least 83.

[CR7]

I think a drop in DEF is needed. An 86 would fit better. He just gets lost at times. When he took that tumble against Liverpool,his poor positioning made him have to make that ground up. I also feel DEF leader should be removed.

In all, of our poor defensive performances this season (bar one; Blackburn), Rio has started. That's City (6), Basel (3), Newcastle (3), and Chelsea (3).

[ballmer]

I'd say it's actually response that is responsible for his lapses. He often takes far too long to react, and an attacking threat will be considerable before he even seems to have realised.

[Jez]

Both could come down to be honest. It's hard to call on exact values as it's easy to be 'too kind' to a player of Rio's caliber when downgrading. I'd say an 86 is fair for Defence. And I'd be looking at a response value of 85? I wouldn't say he shows sharper reactions than Koscielny personally so.

His pace probably needs addressing also. His ability to read the game but also having the physical ability to match are what made him one of the worlds finest. However there is no denying that those days are long gone. I'd drop Top Speed by 2 and Acceleration by maybe just the 1 (although I'd strongly suggest taking it down a point further). Again, it's perhaps easy to be too kind on him though.

Dribble Accuracy and Dribble Speed could both drop a few points (Dribble Speed should probably drop quite dramatically actually. He doesn't really run with the ball much if at all nowadays. A lot of his movement forward seems to involve simply prodding the ball forward half a yard a couple of times before passing) In terms of Dribble Accuracy, he really hasn't looked as classy as years gone by and I'd say John Terry shows a lot better control on the ball whilst moving. I think we might have always been slightly generous with his Dribble Accuracy to be honest given that he has always had such a composed first touch. I'd probably drop it to a 74 given the current ladder. Again, given the current ladder, a Dribble Speed of 73 would be fair in my books. Having said all that, I'd consider taking his Technique back up to the 79/80 mark at least. He's easily still worth an 80 in my view. He perhaps lacks consistency, however should we be rating him in a world where his first touch was always as good as he is clearly capable of, we'd probably be looking at a low to mid eighties value. I think raising it would be fair given the lowering of his dribbling skills.

To sum up I'd go with:
Defence: 86
Response: 85
Top Speed: 76
Acceleration: 74/75
Dribble Accuracy: 74
Dribble Speed: 73
Technique: 80

I'd probably drop Agility by 2 or 3 points as well as a slight boost in Curling. Agree with removing DF Leader too

[CR7]

I agree.

[alawadhi3000]

I also agree, however I would prefer DEF 87, ACC 75 and TEC 79.

[bitz]

I would consider a lower stamina too so he is forced to not exert himself. Konami gave him 74 in PES12. Maybe that's too low but something similar would do. Also shouldn't his balance be higher? He always seemed pretty physical to me, using his body effectively to shield the ball or shut an opponent's way. His frame helps him too but I'd rather see a higher value then relying on height/weight combo. I would go for 87, again Konami's value. I'm fine with the rest.

[Mr. Evans]

Really disagree with you balance bitz. A 87 would be a value that would fit his prime but nowadays he's not powerful at all. Plus he's always been the type to disposses rather than to rely use on his strength.
Agree with a STA drop but yeah a 74 would be too low, a 74 is more than enough in PES 12 though.

Agree with Jez as well btw.

[alawadhi3000]

Green Stamina, obvious, doesn't need explaining.

80 Jump, he doesn't even bother to jump sometimes, with his height 80 will work well with the way I see him.

Also I can't see why he doesn't have green DA like most CB's, he's a bit over average with the ball so I would say 75-76 DA.

[alawadhi3000]

Kelly over Ferdinand? Seriously Hodgson?

[BigStu]

I guarentee if terry injury is serious enough he'll get called up

[vinnie]

Why can't footballers realize twitter is just an accident waiting to happen?

[Jez]

It's the old 'black people are allowed to call each other this and that but when a white person says it it's not allowed'

Anyway, just been thinking. Has Rio ever been that good with his head? All his best defensive work is and always been on the ground. Given that we're stretching the scale a lot more with heading for centre-halves, I really think he could be quite a bit lower in both header and jump, anyone share my thoughts?

[Mr. Evans]

I've been trying to get him on lower values for Head/Jump for so long so yes, definitely agree with that.

[Jez]

I haven't watched Nesta properly for a number of years, but would it be fair to compare the two in this area? It's just I was thinking high greens for RIo so...

[Mr. Evans]

Uhm I'd say he's a bit better than Nesta. Not sure on exact values but I was thinking Header 79/Jump 80? You would know better though.

[alawadhi3000]

Header>Jump for Ferdinand.

[Mr. Evans]

Hmm you're probably right. What would you suggest alawhadi?
I've been thinking about it and Jump on a 80 probably is still too high. And I think I was still a bit generous with Nesta's stats for Header/Jump.

[Jez]

alawhadi is right, he should be Header>Jump. I honestly think he should give values which simply make him capable in the air but not dominant which I think is true to life. It'd be unfair to leave him above the likes of Richard Dunne for example (Header: 82 Jump: 77) who you'd definitely prefer to be challenging for a header. It's hard to plump for exact values as there's not a lot to accurately compare with at the moment. I still think greens is as far as I'd go with heading though. He's no better than people like Jagielka (Header: 78) I don't think. We need to remember too that a green value in Jump really isn't that bad either. My gut says something like Header: 77/78 Jump: 76/77. Whilst it may not be 100% accurate, he's definitely not worth what he currently has.