Fantasista's sets-Young Messi

[Fantasista]

As everybody in this section I'll post some of my sets. Suggestions and even criticism are welcome but be constructive and stick to the topic please. No spam.
Appreciation and applause are welcome as well.

SETS:

THIERRY HENRY 2007-09

SAMUEL ETO'O 2008/09

ZINEDINE ZIDANE 1997-2002

RONALDINHO 2004-06

LUIS FIGO 1997-2000

LEO MESSI 2008/09

PRIME ZIDANE AGAIN, BUT DIVIDED INTO TWO SETS: 97-01(JUVE ERA)& 01-03(R. MADRID ERA)

What if RONALDO EL PHENOMENON set

ROBINHO 2007-09

Prime ROBERTO CARLOS

CR7 07/08

PS. Decided not to give cards to the players. I've never really tested them. Basing almost only on their descriptions isn't enough. Plus I play PES 6 mostly

[Fantasista]

Nickname: "El Doctor" | "Tití" | "El Mimo"

Club: FC Barcelona


Era: 00's
Name: Thierry HENRY | 2007-09
Shirt Name: HENRY
Number: 14
Positions: ★ WF, SS , CF
Nationality: French
Age: 31

Height: 188 cm
Weight: 83 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 91
Defence: 42
Balance: 84
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 90
Acceleration: 86
Response: 83
Agility: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 89
Dribble Speed: 87
Short Pass Accuracy:80
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 79
Shot Accuracy: 88
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 92
Free Kick Accuracy: 83
Curling: 85
Header: 70
Jump: 80
Technique: 94
Aggression: 85
Mentality: 78
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 77

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Tactical Dribble
★ Scoring
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

Growth type: Standard/Lasting

I'm not really sure if he deserves 1-1 scoring or not, I'd be glad to see your opinions on that.

EDIT: Dropped defence to 42 and increased lpa by 1, lps by 2 points.
EDIT 2: Extended era to 2007-09

[Fantasista]

Era: 00's
Name: Samuel ETO'O | 2008/09
Shirt Name: ETO'O
Number: 9
Positions: ★ CF, SS
Nationality: Cameroonian
Age: 27

Height: 180 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 93
Defence: 48
Balance: 84
Stamina: 87
Top Speed: 93
Acceleration: 89
Response: 88
Agility: 90
Dribble Accuracy: 84
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 77
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 74
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 89
Shot Power: 88
Shot Technique: 88
Free Kick Accuracy: 76
Curling: 81
Header: 75
Jump: 81
Technique: 84
Aggression: 93
Mentality: 88
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 74

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Scoring
★ 1-1 Scoring
★ Lines

Growth type: Standard

[Fantasista]

Nickname: "Zizou"

Clubs: Juventus Turin(1997-2001)/Real Madrid(2001/02)


Era: 90's
Name: Zinedine Yazid ZIDANE | 1997-2002
Shirt Name: ZIDANE
Number: 21(Juve)/5(Real)/10(NT)
Positions: ★ AM
Nationality: French
Age: 25-30

Height: 185 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 89
Defence: 51
Balance: 88
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 78
Acceleration: 81
Response: 82
Agility: 82
Dribble Accuracy: 98
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 95
Short Pass Speed: 91
Long Pass Accuracy: 92
Long Pass Speed: 88
Shot Accuracy: 80
Shot Power: 88
Shot Technique: 89]
Free Kick Accuracy: 86
Curling: 90
Header: 79
Jump: 77
Technique: 99
Aggression: 80
Mentality: 84
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 87

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 8
Weak Foot Frequency: 8

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Tactical Dribble
★ Playmaking
★ Passing
★ Middle Shooting
★ Penalties
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

Growth type: Standard/Lasting

After trying improving classic Zidane's set I decided to give up posting there since there's no hope for it. That's my classic Zidane. Works excellent for me. I don't think I'll change anything about this however I don't forbid to make any suggestions.

EDIT: Now seems perfect, but who knows?

[21fadhil]

To be honest, Zizou's balance and dribbling speed are too high for me.He's actually can be knocked down by someone who smaller than him and never show any kind of dribbling on 88 level for me.Maybe just 1-2 points lower than the initial number.
Also, can you post Ronaldinho's stats?

[Fantasista]

In his prime he was strong as hell. I've never seen him knocked down without a foul back then. However after 2003 he became much weaker phisically in every single aspect, including strength and I think you saw him knocked down by smaller players in his later years in Madrid.

As for ds I truly believe he deserves it. The problem is I rate ds a bit different then PSD. I don't think fast player that dribble in punt and run style should have high ds like classic Eto'o for example. Ds is how much percentage of speed you can keep running with the ball, with full control(that depends on da). And Zidane was brilliant at it however didn't show it a lot because in general he was quite slow so he couldn't take full advantage of this ability.

I have R10 set but I still can't find the balance with his long passes. To me he's a lps>lpa player. Combined with amazing curling and not that big tw makes him better at crossing(one of the best crosser in last two decades IMO, only a bit worse than Beckham or Figo) than typical long passes in Pirlo style. I will post it soon and would like to hear your opinions on the above problem.

[Vickingo]

Interesant values for Zidane...agree mostly in DS, nice explanation. It's interesant also BB (in this I don't agree really), I'd like to read your thoughts about prime Riquelme talking about BB compared with this set BTW nice set, a different one.

[Fantasista]

Club:FC Barcelona

Era: 00's
Name: Ronaldo Assis de Moreira | 2004-2006
Shirt Name: RONALDINHO
Number: 10
Positions: ★ SS, AM
Nationality: Brazilian
Age: 24-26

Height: 182 cm
Weight: 80 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: L

Attack: 94
Defence: 38
Balance: 85
Stamina: 83
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 93
Response: 84
Agility: 96
Dribble Accuracy: 98
Dribble Speed: 93
Short Pass Accuracy: 93
Short Pass Speed: 88
Long Pass Accuracy: 89
Long Pass Speed: 92
Shot Accuracy: 86
Shot Power: 86
Shot Technique: 90
Free Kick Accuracy: 94
Curling: 96
Header: 75
Jump: 80
Technique: 99
Aggression: 86
Mentality: 78
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 81

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Tactical Dribble
★ Reaction
★ Passing
★ 1-1 Scoring
★ Penalties
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

Growth type: Early/Lasting

Ronaldinho! One of the most magical players ever. As I said I'm still not sure about lpa and lps. He was an excellent crosser and able to perform fantastic through passes in the air but I don't consider pure precision as his main attribute. Amazing swerve combined with good power he put was essential. Anyway I'd like to see your thoughts on that. I'll be very thankful for help.

[Falcon]

Oh, fantasista! Very good stats, but I do not agree with Zidane in these ways:

Balance: 89? She was very strong, for sure, but not so much to have 89, like Ronaldo at Real Madrid and almost as strong as Ibrahimovic or Drogba? Zidane I would make a maximum 86

Dribble Speed: He was quick with the ball, but a 88? These levels are too high for Zidane, I think. A 84 would be nice, but it was so fast to get 88? It is possible that Zidane has a 88 and an 86 Eto'o? I do not know.

Ronaldinho:

Fantastic, I really liked your Stats. Its pulling power seems to me clear and real, not overrated, just bone.

there is nothing left to say about this crack, I think 99, perfect technique, the DA 98 is great and reasonable.

regards

well now I've read what you wrote before, the explanation for Zidane. I still do not agree :/

but was strong as hell, tough and powerful do not know if deserves a 89, I discuss it xD ... but on your DS, it does not seem right about 88, was quick, but not as fast in the race as Xavi (slow player in TS and Acceleration). expect a justification for the 88, I did not understand.

[Fantasista]

He was very strong indeed. When we compare him to Ronaldo or Ibra don't forget they(esp R9) have much better height/weight ratio which also affects balance.

As for his speed(ts, acc, ds) I'm doing my best to explain my point of view. However I'm just to tired right now to write anything new that would be constuctive. Maybe this post from classic Zidane's thread will hope .

Don't you think his speed stats should come up a few points? He was absolutly faster then Riquelme. I've no idea why they are on par. Zidane wasn't quick, true, but he was running sometimes with pretty decent velocity adn he had really nice acceleration and showing it while driblling. Also he wasn't losing that much speed with the ball like 84 value suggest. He was making nice runs with the ball from time to time. Just look at this actions. Does it look like 78/80/84(ts/acc/ds) guy to you?

1:21-1:30
2:20-2:40
6:23-6:29

PS. About bb you were talking about current Drogba or at his best?

[Falcon]

He was very strong indeed. When we compare him to Ronaldo or Ibra don't forget they(esp R9) have much better height/weight ratio which also affects balance.

As for his speed(ts, acc, ds) I'm doing my best to explain my point of view. However I'm just to tired right now to write anything new that would be constuctive. Maybe this post from classic Zidane's thread will hope .

Don't you think his speed stats should come up a few points? He was absolutly faster then Riquelme. I've no idea why they are on par. Zidane wasn't quick, true, but he was running sometimes with pretty decent velocity adn he had really nice acceleration and showing it while driblling. Also he wasn't losing that much speed with the ball like 84 value suggest. He was making nice runs with the ball from time to time. Just look at this actions. Does it look like 78/80/84(ts/acc/ds) guy to you?

1:21-1:30
2:20-2:40
6:23-6:29

PS. About bb you were talking about current Drogba or at his best?

I can not see the video for copyright shit, sorry.

Although I've covered well understand, but it seems a bit exaggerated by 88, was quick with the ball, I do not doubt it, but I think a 86 is enough, do not you think?

Drogba speak of today, the former should be more muscular and rocky.

[Fantasista]

Damn, another great video blocked on YouTube . You're saiyng 86? Check my Eto'o set and compare how much percentage of speed they've been keeping on tha ball. It's obvious that Zidane was better, but in overall Eto'o would be way faster since he was on completely another level in ts and acc.

I can't say anything about current Drogba cause I haven't seen Chelsea match for ages(don't take it literally ).

And what do you guys think about the values I gave R10 for long passing? He plays well with them but I'm still not convinced if they are right.
PS. Also I'm going to post Luis Figo set from his best in Barcelona but it will be pretty much a base, I'll be very open for suggestions to make it perfect

[Fantasista]

Club: FC Barcelona


Era: 90's
Name: Luís Filipe Madeira Caeiro Figo | 1997-2000
Shirt Name: FIGO
Number: 7
Positions: ★ SM, WF
Nationality: Portugese
Age: 24-27

Height: 180 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 86
Defence: 55
Balance: 80
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 85
Response: 80
Agility: 81
Dribble Accuracy: 97
Dribble Speed: 88
Short Pass Accuracy: 83
Short Pass Speed: 81
Long Pass Accuracy: 90
Long Pass Speed: 94
Shot Accuracy: 81
Shot Power: 88
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 92
Curling: 95
Header: 73
Jump: 77
Technique: 93
Aggression: 87
Mentality: 80
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 79

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 7

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Tactical Dribble
★ Passing
★ Side
★ Penalties
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

Growth type: Standard/Lasting

Figo from Barcelona. A bit quicker and more selfish. One of the best crosser and corner taker ever. Leader and captain of his club and national team. I hope you all now how spectacular he was . As I said I'm very open to suggestions here. I hope you'll help me to improve this set. I realise it's not perfect. Yet

[Mr. Evans]

There was a time Figo was speedster?

[Fantasista]

What do you mean by that?

[Mr. Evans]

TS 84/DS 92 are the stats of a real speedster on the ball and according to you Figo was that fast?

[Fantasista]

I wouldn't say that these stats are so amazing(every single player set I posted here excluding Zidane is faster both on and off the ball and I wouldn't call R10 a speedster) but anyway what would you propose?

[21fadhil]

He can't be almost as fast as Ronaldinho in long run...

[Fantasista]

Yes he can . There wasn't a big difference between them in this aspect. Ronaldinho had amazing burst and he could twist his body like a samba dancer but he wasn't particularly fast .

[Falcon]

luis figo, I loved it as it did in Barcelona.
but sure that your DS was both? 92 is a number, you may be right, I see a flaw, it seems perfect as it was a very fast player.

Zidane on the DS and Eto'o, but I think Zidane was much faster than Riquelme with the ball on the foot, if he had good acceleration, good change of pace, but I think a 88 is high, while maintaining a constant speed, 84 or 86 would be fine.

As tired as Zidane's talk about DS, ruin this thread as good