Andrés Iniesta

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby 21fadhil » 2011 Oct 16, 11:35

SPA is fine.It's his SPS that i felt need to be decreased by 2-3 points.
I also agree with C injury.Some players who really injury prone is also had some injury free times.And Iniesta is always having problems with his leg area, even though it's just a minor injury.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Xyder » 2011 Oct 16, 15:10

Maybe we can put him Cond 7 and IT: C, in this way he can had a better continuity but he's also more fragile.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Kerry » 2011 Oct 16, 15:21

Agree with you Xyder. Fine suggestions

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby bssm » 2011 Oct 19, 01:30

agree with SPS drop, i meant not consistent and playing basic passes in comparison to the likes of Ronaldinho(not as inventive or difficult),Fabregas(not as consistent). He is clearly world class at passing and a step above just about everyone.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Cruel » 2011 Oct 24, 22:11

Isn't 95 DA too high for him? Or, to put it other way: 6pts more than D. Silva, 8 points more than Di Maria? Not questioning Andres abilities here, but the differnce seems just too high...

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Kerry » 2011 Oct 25, 09:40

Cruel wrote:Isn't 95 DA too high for him? Or, to put it other way: 6pts more than D. Silva, 8 points more than Di Maria? Not questioning Andres abilities here, but the differnce seems just too high...

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Cruel » 2011 Oct 26, 21:09

Yes, I know that for Barca fans even 98 DA would be fine, I'm just asking for some serious explanation about so high difference in DA between the players mentioned above. I watch both Barca, Real and City - and I don't see so big difference in, so called, 'glue' in their feet.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Xyder » 2011 Oct 26, 22:43

IMO it's more a problem from the rating of Silva and Di María than only Iniesta, he's after Messi the best player keeping the ball glued to his feet, so for me it's well rated there, Silva has exploded recently (final past season and current one) so maybe he can be updated soon (see some personal threads in the discussion subforum) and Di María deserves an update, specially on DA, 'cause he's arguably the best dribbler of RM (better than CR7, Kaká and Özil), at least under my eyes.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Basilio » 2011 Oct 27, 04:44

His passing stat needs no decrease at all, same for his DA

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby 21fadhil » 2011 Oct 27, 06:53

That's the point.
It's Silva and Di Maria who're underrated, not Iniesta who overrated.
And i still think to decrease his SPS, though.I see his passing speed nowhere on 90 level in term of regular basic.1-2 points of decrease won't be bad for him.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby ballmer » 2011 Oct 27, 10:21

About SPA, there was some discussion in the Fabregas thread, into which Iniesta's rating was considered:

ballmer wrote:A few months ago jurgens and (I think) Mr Evans, were discussing a combo of SPA increase with a TW decrease. Since then I think his SPA was raised to 93. But what does everyone think of TW 90? Personally, I can't see that he moves for the team moreso than Iniesta (92) and if the possibility that lower TW correlates to a greater tendency to make the killer pass, as opposed to building play more patiently/make safer passes, then a lower value than Iniesta is surely needed. In principle I certainly think a SPA>TW ratio ought to be the case. Does anyone else have any opinion on this idea?

Mr. Evans wrote:I like that idea ballmer. Can't add anything more as you've already explained why the change could be made.

His SPA could be brought down to a 92 again btw. We raised it to help him play the killer ball more and improve his vision a bit but it doesn't really work. And I don't like him sitting just one point behind prime Dinho. But a 92 would put him too close to Iniesta.. but he should come down a point imo. I think we could create a nice ladder with Iniesta 90/Cesc 92/Dinho 94. Thoughts?

jurgens wrote:That sounds pretty good to me. I'd like to see iniesta at a 90, really the gap between him and messi is very small.

I use 90 SPA, 88 SPS. Some seem to agree, some to disagree. Can anyone argue the case for keeping it the same, as I'm very confident with the values I've been using.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby 21fadhil » 2011 Oct 27, 11:42

If Fabregas got a point of decrease in SPA, then Iniesta must come down too.There's no way that Iniesta sit one point behind him.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Basilio » 2011 Oct 27, 21:00

I really disagree with decreasing his short passes. He isnt much of as killer ball passer, but he shows such beautiful accuracy and speed on each of his passes, he is a similar passer to xavi, but in a lower league, he can pass the ball through lot of ground and lot of legs with clinical precision, high speed and grounded. Here is a recent match vs racing, not the best of him, but a clear example to explain myself:



Messi beats him in ambition and he benefits from playing on a more forward position, facilitating him to play more killer passes. Moreoever, he can even sit higher in future...

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby 21fadhil » 2011 Nov 02, 07:50

I'm still thinking about decreasing his SPA and SPS by just a bit.Not only because i didn't like him sit on one point behind Fabregas, but it will help us on build the ladder set.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Nov 06, 05:59

Agree. Both may get down by one point. And what are your thoughts on ts:76 and ds:95. Does it really feel right to you?

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Xyder » 2011 Nov 06, 16:23

SPS IMO shold be better on 87 than 89, he isn't like Xavi who can deliver some nice passes from behind. Iniesta could deliver some great ones, but his ratio of passing isn't so high. So we can go with SPA 90 and SPS 87, right?

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Nov 06, 16:29

Well at first I was thinking about 88 sps, but I wasn't sure so I suggested to lower both stats qually. So my final pick will be:
spa 90
sps 88

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby ynwasg8 » 2011 Nov 08, 23:31

His technique should be on par with Messi and he has better technique than van Persie who sits on 94. Though i think all three deserves to be on red.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby blaugrana » 2011 Nov 13, 22:45

I feel AGI 92 is too high for Iniesta. Only really explosive players should sit on 90+ agility for me and I don't feel explosiveness is Iniestas strongest area. He plays more slow and considered game. Iniesta passes by players with his great close control, acceleration and technique. Elsewise he is not super agile. I think a value between 87 - 89 would be fine for agility. He would still be able to make those great twists and turns. Also, I feel he can even have 96-97 in DA if agility comes down.

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Re: Andrés INIESTA

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Nov 13, 22:54

Agree with lowering his AGI. A while I back I noticed there was 4 point gap between him and Silva and that's just not right. I'd say they're very similar in this and should sit on par or not more than one point apart. Been testing Silva and Iniesta with a AGI 89 and I like how they feel..
Disagree with raising his DA though. Think it's high enough already and it would put him too close to the likes of Dinho and Messi.

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