I'll be cleaning up this thread to avoid clutter somewhat regularly.
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jurgens wrote:@Korinov, did you work with julito on all three of these sets?
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- Name: James Quinn
Nickname: *The Mighty Quinn*
Name: Jimmy Quinn
Shirt Name: Quinn
Positions: ★ CF, WF
Nationality: irish heritage but played for scottish national team.
Height: 178 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Injury Tolerance: B
Top Speed: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 84
Dribble Speed: 80
Short Pass Accuracy: 73
Short Pass Speed: 71
Long Pass Accuracy: 74
Long Pass Speed: 73
Shot Accuracy: 85
Shot Power: 96
Shot Technique: 87
Free Kick Accuracy: 65
Keeper Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 3
★ Post Player
★ Middle Shooting
PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P11 – Long Ranger
S05 - 1-touch play
ATTACK / DEFENCE AWARENESS: OFF
Growth Type: Late Peak
"He was the keystone in the greatest team the Celts ever had.
James Quinn is recognised as the greatest centre forward we have ever possessed, and we have had many fine leaders...A strong robust player possessed of a wonderful pair of shopulders which he used to great advantage and more fairly than he was given credit for. Quinn was subjected to a lot of abuse in the course of his fourteen years service.
He seldom objected to anything done to himself, but deeply resented ill-treatment to any of his colleagues, all less able to stand up to it."
"With the deep chest and muscular shoulders of a charging bison he shed festoons of clinging opponents as he hurtled goalwards.
He could dribble and had some outstanding solo runs to his credit, wbut with four forwards who knew all there was to be known about the art, he normally filled the role of rushing their passes to fruition. His left shot was furious [the World Encyclopedia described it "as the hardest shot ever seen in Scotland"]. Repeatedly it stretched the back of the net so taut that the ball rebounded into play ["remember, this balls, when wet, could weigh a ton" Tommy Gemmell]...Even when stumbling under the attentions of the defence he could momentarily retain enough purchase to part with the ball before stretching his length on the ground.
His performances on the field were so famous that even the pencils of reporters in the ranks of Tuscany were compelled to limn his greatness in phrases like "Quinn on Saturday, with all his power, dash and deadliness";"the ever watchful Quinn, ready to spring or burst through when an opening presented itself or fasten on a stray ball, played to his reputation"[eye-sighted];"Quinns bustling bolts and maxim shootings":"Quinns thrilling runs and maxim shooting";"notably Quinn who beat almost the Clyde team himself.";"No centre going equals the Celt in holding on to the ball when pressed and getting in a shot by hook or by crook under great impediments."
James E. Handley
Started as a "hard running left winger" he began his Celtic career rather unspectacular but as the centre-forward was once injured, Willie Maley moved Jimmy Quinn to the CF position and he began to become the Mighty Quinn.
In the Scottish Cup Final of 1901 he stormed through 6 (six!) defenders while they tried to hack him off his feet, of course scored and in his own words "I used to play with the blood running down into my boots."
After he scored again the Scottish Cup Final against Rangers in 1904 after Celtic were 0:2 down till the score was 3:2 in favour of Celtic his fame sprayed all over the world.
He single-handed destroyed Rangers and in the coming Old-Firms he was marked by three defenders of the three-man Rangers defence!
Quinn still was able to score, even though it was disallowed twice by the referee.
There were darksides as well as he was sent-off against Rangers in his most loved game, the Old Firm, as he allegedly trampled on Alec Craig in 1905 and in 1907 for purportedly kicking Joe Hendry.
But he was capable of destroying the english team as well as he played for Scotland against them in 1908 and the newspaper reports reported "Scotlands attack seemed at times to be simply Quinn, all Quinn and nothing but Quinn."
He loved the big occasion, beat the English League Team as well in a single-sided match in 1909.
On Christmas day in the same year he scored his most beautiful goal against Kilmarnock as he shoulder-barged his way through 8 Kilmarnock players and finished in a typical Quinn way, low and hard.
Doesn't sound like a nice guy does it? Well, he was one.
Very humble in his nature, I think this story is the best paraphrasize of his personality and is recorded in his book and various other sources:
After his professional time Jimmy, as always lived in Coronation Row, Croy. It was in the late 20's, when a future Celtic hero called Jimmy Delaney went to see the the famous Quinn in his house.
The two Jimmys talked affably with each other, however much the younger was overawed by the presence of the older one. Just as Delaney was about to leave, Quinn showed him all his medals, which he kept in a biscuit tin and ended up by saying "Hera are ya, son, just tak wan." Such was the humility of the Mighty Quinn.
And to give some statement about the stats so that it is clear I did not just make them up.
Physical values: Any reasoning needed? Read the info text. His agility is that high because he turned into different directions while being hacked, had a general movement ability and used his strength very wise.
Technical values: To keep the ball under controll - even in those raw, anarchic times with this medicine balls - you need some ball controll and I described him mainly as barging through his opponents, but in the various newspaper reports I have read, there are rather dribblings described than pure power. So at least he had the talent for an average dribbling values and needed a very good touch and close controll as he was marked brutally close for that time.
Mental values: You need some kind of mental strength if you want to be at the top of the game and especially in those days you had to be tough.
The centre forwards and wingers at most and he was both. There are various reports about "severe treatment by opponents" and his own "blood running" quote to underline that. Furthermore his strongest games were the big ones and it is one part of mental toughness if you like high-pressure atmosphere. His leadership qualities are testified by WIllie Maley and team mates even though he wasn't the captain as this was Sunny Jim Young but in fairness, Young was the greatest Captain Celtic ever had.
And to give proper information on the size of player he was:
Celtic were unbeatable the best football team in the Edwardian Era, becoming Champions from 1905-1910/14-17 and were unbeaten in 62 games in a row.
They had one of the biggest and certainly one of the most modern stadiums in the world around 1905 and games between the English League pick/national team - back in the time they had a fundament to think they are unbeatable as they usually were ! - and the scottish one were highly competitive and were held a ceremonial two times per year, once at Hampden and once at Wembley and Scotland was the major opponent back then for the English players as outside of this there were certainly brillant, all time heroes but these were mainly individuals and their countries lacked in the developed, logistical part of the game and of course, in the general strengths of players. How things have turned around Well, at least in the 30's the Austrian developed a magnificent football which marks down the downfall.
So, Jimmy Quinn was, as credited, the best forward of the Edwardian football era in one the biggest clubs in britain, who won 11 out of 15 times the league between 1905-1919 and the highly competitive scottish cup 5 out of 9 times between 1905 and 1914/15 which marks down the time Quinn spent at Celtic.
Hope it does not appear as a cheap fan-boys opinion-
SOURCES: - to name the major
An Alphabet of the Celts, 1994
Jimmy Quinn: Celtic first goalscoring hero, 2007
World Encyclopedia of Football, 1978
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Quinn ... 1900-15%29
http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/oUzwv ... GW1075H813
vickingo_73 wrote:Plava, what do you think Aguero's set?
jurgens wrote:@vickingo_73 you're explanations really aren't selling me for clausen. I mean you claim hes a below average passer, but you give him 74 spa and 77 lpa with decent speeds for both, these stats don't represent that. Then you go onto to say "He based his defensive positioning and duties in his response", yet you give him a world class value for def and an average value for response? As for the Aguero set; I'd echo Plava's thoughts about the set being necessary. Tbh I'm skeptical of your values, and when we consider we have a set already made for his early Athletico days and it's important to have a set for those days and they could represent both era's, I'd rather we used that.
vickingo_73 wrote:and had difficults to control difficult balls and make an accurate pass, so he prefered to make secure passes or try a long pass (was better doing this but was more speed than accuracy, by side to forwards).
jurgens wrote:Go ahead.
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