Ronaldinho | 2003-2006 | 2000-2002 | 2008-2010

[Brezza]

-2003/2006

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: FC Barcelona



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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-2001/2003

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: Paris Saint-Germain



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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-2008/2010

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"



Club: AC Milan

[Fantasista]

Anyone has any more thoughts on his TS? I'd like to get a solid number on this before proposing more changes.

I've already proposed numbers for his psg and fcb era

[Gugu]

Anyone has any more thoughts on his TS? I'd like to get a solid number on this before proposing more changes.

My pick would be an 87 for Top Speed

[Mr. Evans]

Never understood why he had 88, wouldn't rate him over 86 tbh (DS on a 95). He was fast but he wasn't a 'sprinter'. I also don't think he was this explosive. A 94 puts him one point behind what I rate Krasic and on the level of Pato a year/few years back who I rated a 94/95. I think a 92 fits him better.
His AGI could possibly go up though. He was so freakishly agile for a man his size. The likes of Messi and Sanchez are so much smaller than him so putting him over and/or on par with them would only seem wrong on paper but there would still be a big difference between them in game.

Agree with you on his SPA jurgens, he was phenomal passer. And yeah RES is too much (83?), the same with STA (I'd put him on 84).

His SP is too high. Yes Dinho could wack them sometimes but his shots are just so powerful on consistent basis in game, mainly because of his very high ST. I brought him down to a 85 and he works much better with it imo. I also think his SA could possibly go down a point. Not sure though so I'd like to hear people's thoughts on it.

And I think his ATT could go up by a point or two with TW coming down.. what do you guys think? And isn't his DEF generous?
And does did he play AM in that period?

About his 2008-2010 set, it should be changed to 2009/2010. He wasn't good in his first season at Milan.
Btw congrats on becoming a mod jurgens .

[Fantasista]

Great analysis Mr. Evans, I consider most of your suggestions right, but I'm not sure with sa downgrade and such a low numbers for his responce and stamina seems really strange to me. Agility may go up honestly, but the question is how much?
Since we're defining "Attack" differently than in the past increasing it it's a good idea however we'll need some serious discussion about exact number.
Your suggestion about eras makes me think if his Prime era shouldn't be 2004-06. His first season(just like in AC Milan) wasn't that fantastic like the next two when he really amazed the world and as a result of his performances won lots of thropies&prizes.

[jurgens]

Never understood why he had 88, wouldn't rate him over 86 tbh (DS on a 95). He was fast but he wasn't a 'sprinter'. I also don't think he was this explosive. A 94 puts him one point behind what I rate Krasic and on the level of Pato a year/few years back who I rated a 94/95. I think a 92 fits him better.
His AGI could possibly go up though. He was so freakishly agile for a man his size. The likes of Messi and Sanchez are so much smaller than him so putting him over and/or on par with them would only seem wrong on paper but there would still be a big difference between them in game.

Agree with you on his SPA jurgens, he was phenomal passer. And yeah RES is too much (83?), the same with STA (I'd put him on 84).

His SP is too high. Yes Dinho could wack them sometimes but his shots are just so powerful on consistent basis in game, mainly because of his very high ST. I brought him down to a 85 and he works much better with it imo. I also think his SA could possibly go down a point. Not sure though so I'd like to hear people's thoughts on it.

And I think his ATT could go up by a point or two with TW coming down.. what do you guys think? And isn't his DEF generous?
And does did he play AM in that period?

About his 2008-2010 set, it should be changed to 2009/2010. He wasn't good in his first season at Milan.
Btw congrats on becoming a mod jurgens .

Good suggestions. I want to get as many peooples views on TS before I move onto to the other changes for the time being. I'm between 86-87 myself. About Milan Era, yeah I wasn't going to make it 2008 originally, but for the sake of an era having a wider range of years for era teams I've made it 2008 aswell. IMO his performances in 2008 warrant these stats awell, he had some great perfomances, just wasn't consistent (as always)

[Fantasista]

Some great performances, while in 2009/10 he had a lot of them. And really, he was in the shadow of Kaka(also often starting matches as a sub) until he's gone to Madrid.

[Mr. Evans]

About Milan Era, yeah I wasn't going to make it 2008 originally, but for the sake of an era having a wider range of years for era teams I've made it 2008 aswell.

Guess that makes sense.

IMO his performances in 2008 warrant these stats awell, he had some great perfomances, just wasn't consistent (as always)

True but consistency is what it's all about isn't it? He was far more consistent in his 09/10 season and reached a higher level than he did in 08/09 (he was so good, too bad many don't know it/don't accept it).

[Mr. Evans]

Great analysis Mr. Evans, I consider most of your suggestions right, but I'm not sure with sa downgrade and such a low numbers for his responce and stamina seems really strange to me. Agility may go up honestly, but the question is how much?
Since we're defining "Attack" differently than in the past increasing it it's a good idea however we'll need some serious discussion about exact number.
Your suggestion about eras makes me think if his Prime era shouldn't be 2004-06. His first season(just like in AC Milan) wasn't that fantastic like the next two when he really amazed the world and as a result of his performances won lots of thropies&prizes.

I wouldn't call a 84 for STA low at all, it's a very good value. There are some (very) energetic DMs/SBs who sit on a 86.
On AGI, I was thinking a one point raise.
(Sorry for the double post)

[Fantasista]

1 point. Hmm... seems fair. Still have problem with 84 for sta, maybe I've mental blocks or something xD

[ballmer]

Isn't the standard roughly that players who run about a fair amount and are out of energy by the end of the game deserve an 86. If so, Ronaldinho didn't run around a great amount - that is, he wasn't continually moving by any means.84 is a decent standard for many current forwards too.

[Gugu]

To me hes a 94 SPA, his passing speeds could probably be taken a look at too.

This should answer nicely

I'm really not suggesting an exact number... So let me rephrase your question to "Do you think Ronnie deserves a few points higher than his classic version?"

Yes, I do. I've watched a very large percent of his barca days and I watch as much of him at AC as I get the chance to. He is a very different player from back then. Yes, his spa was still phenomenal back then.. but it was only one aspect of his game. He had so much more going for him, while his passing was always incredible, it wasn't the backbone to his game like it is today. Today's ronaldinho has lost his pace, a considerable amount of agility, dribble accuracy, hes lost most of the key things that made him such an all round player.

The one thing he has kept though is his passing accuracy and playmaking vision. Not only has he kept these two aspects of his game but he has significantly improved in them, especially his accuracy. It's now the backbone of his game and what he focuses on.

As far as 93 being to generous and being the highest in serie A... to me this is irelevant. He simply does not have the accuracy in game to make the passes which he does in real life. I've played and watched season after season with ronaldinho and I know this as a fact.

Agree with that 100%. Ronaldinho was probably a better, smarter, and more incisive passer at Milan, I too feel his passing developed in milan, guess he realised his physical constraints so changed the focal aspects of his game. But I guess you'd know, you written it

[jurgens]

Goodjob finding that lol. Yeah, I'd stand by that hes under-rated for milan days, hes one of the best passers I've ever seen. Problem is, we only really have one great year of him in milan... and there was many poor performances, so we don't have all that much material to work with. In comparison with his barca years... theres a huge differences. So it makes rating him a lot easier.

[jurgens]

So any problems with SPA of 94?

[Fantasista]

He was(and still is)a fantastic passer but anything above 93 is too much.

[yourigo]

zidane sits at 93...ronaldinho should really be lower than him

[tomaster]

I see no reason why Dinho should be below Zidan in SPA.

[Vickingo]

What about his MENT? And his TW? Didn't he improved his team work when he was transferred to Milan? He played in a different way for the matches I could watch of him in that era before return to Brazil, what do you think?
Someone could explain me with in Barca's era has 74 in MENT and 73 in Milan's? I can't understand well Thanks

[Fantasista]

Honestly I find his mentality much higher then that. He deserved out of green around 2007 and 2008 but not in his prime when he was the leader of nt, barca and unarguable the best in the world. I suggest something around 78.

Back to my favorite about R10, Speed. I suggest to watch again his behaviour, way he dribbled. He has never using pace to dribble. Sometimes when he passes an opponent he had to dribble the same one again because the defender caught him again. If he would be that quick Xavi and Deco would give him through balls much more often than they did and even if they did, they weren't extremely, let's say long to maximize the advantage of speed, what they could when they pass to eto'o, messi or even henry when he came to barca. But usually Ronaldinho got the ball right to his feet and barely had to move.
As I said before for me he's 85.

[21fadhil]

Honestly I find his mentality much higher then that. He deserved out of green around 2007 and 2008 but not in his prime when he was the leader of nt, barca and unarguable the best in the world. I suggest something around 78.

Back to my favorite about R10, Speed. I suggest to watch again his behaviour, way he dribbled. He has never using pace to dribble. Sometimes when he passes an opponent he had to dribble the same one again because the defender caught him again. If he would be that quick Xavi and Deco would give him through balls much more often than they did and even if they did, they weren't extremely, let's say long to maximize the advantage of speed, what they could when they pass to eto'o, messi or even henry when he came to barca. But usually Ronaldinho got the ball right to his feet and barely had to move.
As I said before for me he's 85.

His top speed and acceleration is too much for him.
There's no way he's as fast as Ronaldo in Madrid era and has a bit better acc.He's more like to glued the ball with his feet and tricking defender than use the pace.He's also not as good as Ronaldo in term of beating defender by pure speed, which he's actually much more advantage by his 94 DS.He could be decreased for 1- 2 points at both TS and ACC.
And his passing in Milan is need to be increased a bit again.
Anyway, a video about Ronnie's skill, the man that get an applause by Madrid fans in Bernabeu for his magic, which, in my oppinion, is one of the greatest thing ever happen in Football.This's only occured when a player do a magic.And he did it.

[Fantasista]

To submit all sugg has been made(by me, Mr Evans, Ronaldo9, jurgens, ballmer, I'm sorry if I forgot about someone)
-ts 85
-acc 93
-ds 95(I'm between 94 and 95, both values are good to me)
-stamina 84(personally not sure about rating that low)
-fka 93, maybe 94
-curling 96-97, despite the number a slight decrease is needed. He wasn't that close to Beckham or R.Carlos
-sp 86
-mentality 78

There were also some suggestions about his passes, mostly done by jurgens but I think we should finish with above suggestions and then discuss his passing abilities since it's another huge subject and also I find these changes more important(esp speed and mentality).