Giovanni Moreno, Shanghai Shenhua FC

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Giovanni Moreno, Shanghai Shenhua FC

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Sep 05, 15:42

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Talented AMF who plays in Racing Club in Argentina, a player with a great shooting and world class technique. Moreno also has been called for Colombian NT and with a few games for WCQ he showed all his talent. He is a great suprise for Colombian football, he is still young so he have a great future in football, so maybe (I hope so) we will see him in Europe in next years. He is the next big star of Colombian Football.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby zizou_262 » 2011 Sep 04, 02:38

Nice to see Gio back

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby xeneize » 2011 Sep 04, 03:02

he can't do me remember more to riquelme with his movements
i was think the opposit for his MENT victor, i think in a smal increase after his injury, but well, i need see him more anyway

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby julgui » 2011 Sep 18, 23:27

GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, AMAZING FK! :D

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby xeneize » 2011 Sep 18, 23:30

with a glove! AMAZING!, pure accuracy, what class

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby manoloxcr17 » 2011 Sep 19, 01:16

Classy goal, classy player

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Sep 19, 01:27

BTW I think that with the current number in FKA is very well represented, that +SP is enough at least for now.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 02, 23:13

Hey, for sure he needs a decrease at least of his ACC and DS, his movements are pretty slow. Are pure class, with elegance and accurate, but Slow. And I was putting special attention in his agility, and he moves like a robot, but I think that's because his size, he's another big guy with pure class, but he needs nice agility to does those tricks. The same with his response, is nothing special, pure average, and I don't watch him more responsive than Riquelme or Romagnoli for example, an average number will be enough and fine (78)

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby xeneize » 2011 Oct 03, 21:47

agree in ACC/DS, nowadays in DS is not better than riquelme for sure
agree in RES too in something like 78

if i remember i going to pay atention in his ST, i saw some bad shots using that aspect

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby julgui » 2011 Oct 03, 22:37

Besides his header is much better. Even many goals became head.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 04, 02:01

xeneize wrote:agree in ACC/DS, nowadays in DS is not better than riquelme for sure
agree in RES too in something like 78

if i remember i going to pay atention in his ST, i saw some bad shots using that aspect


Yes, but remember that DS is "how much speed a player loses when dribble", and Riquelme has 76 in TS and Giovanni 82 :!: , so it's different. BTW, IMO he loses a lot his speed when he dribbles, it's strange watching him at full speed, he's more tactical dribble, or just to entertain the ball.

Updated only Response to fit into ladders.

Numbers to TS/ACC/DS/HEAD/ST? What about AGG and TW? Sounds high to his current games.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby julgui » 2011 Oct 04, 02:35

Was just his 4th game since his injury. It would be so quick to throw numbers or search for possible changes. 6 months ago did not play and not yet complete or 200 minutes of play.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 04, 02:57

Well, the last update was at 2 Dec 2010, and since that date I have doubts about his TS/ACC/DS ratio, seems a bit exaggerated when we (with Manolo) updated this player. Also now comparing with ladders, it's hardly to believe that Gio is so far more aggressive than Riquelme for example, or so much fast. Do you undertand?

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby julgui » 2011 Oct 04, 03:17

Yes, but he was injured on 15 February (1st fecha of the previous tournament). During December (I think only 2 match) and January there are no games . I agree with that are high number ... but in order to value it should rather wait for this in good conditions..
As for his aggressiveness is subjective. He is mixed AMF-SS (with Simeone, not with Russo). Often step on the area more often than Riquelme. Because Roman does not become completely stuck in it.
In terms of speed, DS and HEA also always make it clear that these values ​​do not seem right and deserved change. :D

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 04, 03:34

Nice opinion, and also in the previous page you agree with a decrease of his Speed, so what do you think about those values? Not about current, for ever?

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby julgui » 2011 Oct 04, 03:44

For me the final speed is good. Could be 80 would be a good number. But the ACC is pretty weak, has a hard time starting. Maybe 80-78 is a good mix.
He should not be considered card Classic #10. IMO he is "mediapunta" rather than "enganche". Similar case to Maxi Moralez.
It always seemed strange to be assigned such a low value of Head. Even in Racing scored several goals (76-77) would be optimal.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 04, 17:39

So, tweaked TS/ACC, deleted Classic No.10 and raised a bit header accuracy. BTW I think that this set needs some changes mostly in DS, LPA, ST, AGG, MENT (!!!!), TW which could be decreased; and probably better in positioning in attack. Thoughts?

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby xeneize » 2011 Oct 04, 18:24

i don't have much time to enter in PSD this days, but i'm with julgui in this, he don't play so much matches since his return of teh injury
anyway later i going to give my opinions :mrgreen:

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby FernandoA13 » 2011 Oct 07, 09:32

According to Portuguese newspapers, he might be on he's way to Sporting Portugal.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby jorgecavs » 2011 Oct 07, 13:28

IMO his mentality is much better than Riquelme, but is only an opinion.

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Re: Giovanni MORENO

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Oct 07, 19:30

I respect that opinion, but in NO WAY his mentality is better than Riquelme's. When the team is losing or in a difficult match he demonstrated more than once that he isn't good carrying the team, asking for the ball, running more, etc. Most clearly example was in the last derby vs Independiente, he literally disappear of the match (also helped by the amazing mark of Julian Velazquez and Pellerano). He was very displicent when the team was winning, and when Independiente drew the match, he didn't do nothing, or even, he did it worse than before. Also, when he's tired he doesn't run more, he stacionates himself in a corner and only makes passes. Riquelme is better than him for sure in this aspect (and in mostly)

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