Carles Puyol | 2005-2006 & 2009-2010

[BigStu]

Club: FC Barcelona



Growth Type: Standard/Lasting


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By Bitz with some tweaks

Club: FC Barcelona



Growth Type: Standard/Lasting

INFO:

This is Carles Puyol, a word-class defender and the loyal captain of Barca. One of the most hardworking defenders ever, he gives 100% in all his performances. Gifted with great strength and amazing speed he can eliminate even the quickest strikers. He is also a potent threat when he gets up in attack and he can also play as an aggressive side back to support the flanks. I know the stats look like the defaults but KONAMI did ok with him and I also expect a discussion here.


VIDEOS:

Spoiler: show

ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puyol

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puyol

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/pl ... ofile.html

http://www.carles5puyol.com/

http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/ ... puyol.html

http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/j/j350.html

[Alcohomicide]

Bloody hell, Vandeach. I agree it's annoying when stats like this are made and are done poorly, but was such an abusive tirade called for? You're meant to be an example to the uhhh... other forum users and such. :S I'm not saying you're wrong, but there are more... friendly ways to put things?

[Vandeach]

Yeah, that probably was a little harsh, but I get annoyed when I see such obvious mistakes, considering the effort some people go to to get perfect stats. Sorry, Chelseakid.

[BigStu]

Doesn't matter, I though these were meant to be deleted months ago? Or at least can someone make a set to go in the first post that are at least decent?

[as_10]

[Plava Čigra]

I've added 2 Videos in the first post.

More importantly, I think he could claim both P02: Deep Cover and P01: Overlapping Run. Since P cards can be turned on/off, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't have both (due to his mad runs and general style of playing when he was used as SB; it all depended from the tactic they used and from the situation on the field). Also, I'm not sure but I think Attack/Defence Awareness Card should be Balanced instead of Defence Minded.

And for the end I agree with as_10 that he should have *D-Line Control/S10: DF Leader.


P.S. Stats won't be deleted. Instead of that I suggest adding list of all contributors to this final stats in credits (something like Collaborative effort from...).

[Dabo]

Why this thread has been deleted from the classic contemporany players section?

[99Doogs]

it hasn't

[mesageinabottle]

nickname: Tarzan

[Fantasista]

I really don't understand such a big gaps between the sets in terms of defence. Through these years I can't see him getting that worse(if any) in that aspect. It should 1 point difference max.
(Almost)The same thing with header. Really guys, 6 points!?

On the other hand I find older Puyol overrated in acc by 2 points. He definetely wasn't that explosive then like in 2005.

The rest is pretty good IMO. What's your opinion? Any other suggestions(i could forgot about sth I'm not perfect, unfortunatelly )
BTW I think we can extend both eras to 2004-06 and 2008-10.

[jurgens]

ughh it was one of stus earlier works.. has needed a seeing too for some time. I've fixed it up mostly, theres no real masisve differnces in either sets now. I'm against that 90 def.. not worth that imo but no big deal, same with 86 BB, agility needs to be changed.. I'd like 80 but I guess 82 is good?... Speed stats could be changed around a bit, any suggestions?

[Korinov]

I wouldn't lower agility a lot for 2005-2006 Puyol. Maybe with 83 he would be fine. For 2009-2010 I'd say 80.

About TS and Acc, I'd say 84 and 83 for 2005-2006 and maybe 82 and 81 for 2009-2010.

About DF, I actually think the stats for one era and the other should be reversed. 'Ol Puyol wasn't probably that good at positioning, etc, but made up with his great physique. On the other hand, 2009-2010 Puyol had lost some speed and strenght but probably had become a better defender. I'd suggest 88 for 2005-2006 and 90 for 2009-2010. Just my thoughts, of course, maybe a Barça follower could provide a more accurate view about this.

[Phil]

I've always saw him a a ACC>TS player he was pretty explosive and had tremendous reactions which made him so hard to play against. Definately wouldn't agree with agility as low as 80 either, he was incredibly agile for a defender. Probably worthy of an 83 imo. I wouldn't argue with a 1 point decrease in BB though.

[Fantasista]

Now it looks a bit better but as Phil said his acc was better than ts. Maybe 85/87 for 05/06 and 84/85 for 09/10. Agility's fine, maybe the older one could be downgraded by 1 or 2 points there. Good job with jump and mentality jurgens
PS. What about era extension?

[jurgens]

Definately wouldn't agree with agility as low as 80 either, he was incredibly agile for a defender. Probably worthy of an 83 imo

I'm talking for his 2010 set. 83 for prime? I think thats fine, and 80 for 2010?

On the other hand I find older Puyol overrated in acc by 2 points. He definetely wasn't that explosive then like in 2005.

Now it looks a bit better but as Phil said his acc was better than ts. Maybe 85/87 for 05/06 and 84/85 for 09/10. Agility's fine, maybe the older one could be downgraded by 1 or 2 points there.

ACC was 86, you said it was over-rated by two points. Now you want 87 ACC??, which is it?

I agree his ACC was better than his TS. 84/85 seems too much to me though. I'd go with 84/84.

[Fantasista]

I''ll keep it short and clear:
1. Before update my sugg were
Suggestion to lower 09/10 Puyol's acc to 84(No suggestions about 05/06 Puyol's speed)
2. After update and Phil's post when I changed my point of view a little bit my sugg are
Increase 05/06 Puyol's acc up to 87
Increase 09/10 Puyol's ts an acc to 84/85

I've never suggested to lower 05/06 Puyol's acc.

[jurgens]

We've had pretty strong arguments for puyol never being worth such high values in ACC in modern day puyols thread. Not against increasing it, but wanna get more opinions. 84/85 for TS/ACC is just way, way too much, as we went over this in modern day Puyols thread.

[Fantasista]

Current Puyol and this form 09/10 season are two different players. He really started to lose his phisical abilities after wc 2010 due to injuries, but before that he was retaining his speed pretty well even though he got quite old(32).

[jurgens]

Our conversations were not discussing only current Puyol, but the year past.. 09/10 and the world cup. And it was pretty well agreed that he was over-rated in terms of acc/ts back then. These values are even higher.

[Fantasista]

I wasn't following it so I couldn't know.

[Phil]

I'm talking for his 2010 set. 83 for prime? I think thats fine, and 80 for 2010?

Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'd say 83 for 2005-2006 is probably fair. I think he was more agile than Thiago Silva, but maybe not by 2 points?